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So, something has been bothering me.  I need to know if this is *MY* problem or if others do it too.

I meet someone – right off the bat I don’t like them.  It’s not so much that I HATE them, just don’t know or trust them well enough to give them my ‘stamp of approval’.  Often, the passing of time and shared experiences will make me change my mind.  Other times my ill feelings get stronger.  I’d like to think that I don’t treat new people poorly – I just don’t open up to them easily.

Someone said once:
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Always assume new people you meet are assholes.  That way later on you will either be pleasantly surprised, or you can take pleasure in knowing all along.
Ok – so that’s the jest of the quote – I may have botched it.  But it’s something I’ve come to live by.  I get a lot of grief from my husband and friends and they have me thinking that I’m an unwelcoming closed minded person – but I swear, that’s not the case!!!

So, am I a ‘grumpy bitch’ or normal?

August 24, 2004, 06:00:28 PM
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I've never heard that quote, but I follow it.  I hate people in general.

August 24, 2004, 06:02:45 PM
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It's been my experience, as I go through the world, that the vast majority of humanity is an incredible waste of air. Maybe that's partially to do with taking a lot of jobs with customer service components. But I suppose I deal with people in a similar fashion. I can usually tell right off if someone is mean, stupid, or (the worst crime of all) dull. And after getting to know them better, that usually proves itself true.

Most of it probably comes down to personality types. Most people you meet here will probably be introverted to some degree or another. That, and most people around here will probably have a slightly higher IQ than the average. Thus, most people you meet out in the real world by comparison seem pushy and dumb. Without pontificating too much, I'm betting this is why people gather in online communities like this one. It gives us a chance to talk to people of similar interests, with similar personality types, who don't go around saying stupid things all day, and whom we can walk away from whenever we don't want to be bothered anymore.  ;)

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August 24, 2004, 06:08:51 PM
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psh, i love meeting new people.

I prefer being a disease at meeting people, i meet a few people, i meet their friends, i meet their friends, and it goes on ^_^


Im a friendly person and can basically deal with anyone, even if they're assholes I really just ignore it and people for some reason never hate me because im respectable and funny, and sweet, and ..."cute <_<"


but i don't meet people on the internet, And i don't really "hate" any LM'ers i know of the Internet because you really can't tell how they act outside the internet world so you really can't "judge" them.

Like me for instance, in LM ill admit at times I can be a asshat, a idiot, and "piss" people off sometimes. But when im not on the internet talking to you LM'ers im a pretty damn good citizen ^_^  and im sure the same goes for MANY others here

August 24, 2004, 06:10:02 PM
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grumpy bitch  :p

I kid, I kid.  I feel mostly the same way - I owe nothing to people who I've just met and treat them that way.

August 24, 2004, 06:10:09 PM
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i do that too grayduck
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August 24, 2004, 06:37:19 PM
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I have my own reasons, which, alas, I cannot share, for distrust of people (I've made some hints at this overall-encompassing reason in other posts. Yes, it is the same reason, and yes, it is weird, and no, you won't know until it's time). Feel free to scheme on these reasons :D Ultimately it's not something I conciously do. If I meet someone it takes phenomenal effort on my part to put a neutral step forward.


Everything will be explained in time...
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August 24, 2004, 06:51:05 PM
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how long is 'time'?

August 24, 2004, 07:53:12 PM
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Well, I've long since learned that most people are assholes, so they see a different side of me then everyone else.  So people wonder wtf is up with me, but who gives a ^^.

Nah, thats fine.. I do it all the time

August 24, 2004, 07:56:06 PM
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Nope, not just you Grayduck. I believe that Bob's theory has some relevance to the phenomenon that I too share.

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August 24, 2004, 09:58:33 PM
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i take the scientific approach:

i bear no opinion until sufficient data has been collected to warrant one.

August 25, 2004, 05:32:46 AM
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New people are OK. There is little to fear from them.

August 25, 2004, 07:00:36 AM
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Meh, I don't have anything at all against new people I meet, I always treat people how I would like them to treat me.  I've grown to hate humanity in general, but I rarely find a person I can honestly blame it on, and even when I do, they are ussually so minorly responsible that I can't help but feel bad for disliking them.

Trust is a different issue, it takes me a long time to really trust people, even when I like them in every other way, I really have to know a person before I will trust them even in the slightest.
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August 25, 2004, 07:54:53 AM
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I've found that this approach works best: I don't expect people to be perfect. Rather, if they're more good than bad in my opinion, then that's enough for me. Heck, if somebody agreed with me on all points and I couldn't have a row with them every once in a while, where'd the fun be at?

August 25, 2004, 09:55:56 AM
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I'm anti-social.  Online I don't have much of a problem, but IRL, it takes me a long, long time to come to trust people.  Until then, I don't really feel very comfortable around them too much.
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August 25, 2004, 09:59:01 AM
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ICWB

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i usually like most ppl, i'm fairly agreeable. and can be the life of the party. but i can only handle ppll in smal doses. and i'm also .. fairly extreme. i'm either by myself all day, or at a party cracking ppl up with my funny ass tail feathers. that's a true story. yes, that's far too much than you'd like to know about me. tough meeces.

and yes, most of us are introverts here. read this article, and you'll probably identify with it. if you don't, WTH AREYOU DOING HERE?!? YOU BLOODY USED CAR SALESMAN TYPE PERSON WHO LOVES TO BE AROUND PPL 24/7 !! GET OUTTA HERE! YAR!! HOOT! AND SUCH AND SUCH!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/send.cg...03/03/rauch.htm

The Atlantic Monthly | March 2003
 
Pursuits & Retreats
Personal File

Caring for Your Introvert

The habits and needs of a little-understood group
 
by Jonathan Rauch
 
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o you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an introvert on your hands—and that you aren't caring for him properly. Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain scans, that introverts process information differently from other people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.

Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am not morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long conversations that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests. But at last I have self-identified and come out to my friends and colleagues. In doing so, I have found myself liberated from any number of damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Now I am here to tell you what you need to know in order to respond sensitively and supportively to your own introverted family members, friends, and colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with every day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person nuts. It pays to learn the warning signs.

What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the expression. Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on," we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm okay, you're okay—in small doses."

How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on this question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer: About 25 percent. Or: Just under half. Or—my favorite—"a minority in the regular population but a majority in the gifted population."

Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in life. "It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an introvert," write the education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa Kaenzig. (They are also the source of the quotation in the previous paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people. They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and yipping.

Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing, extroverts are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which only the garrulous are really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush. Look at Bill Clinton. They seem to come fully to life only around other people. To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top in politics—Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon—is merely to drive home the point. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled aloofness and privateness were probably signs of a deep introverted streak (many actors, I've read, are introverts, and many introverts, when socializing, feel like actors), introverts are not considered "naturals" in politics.

Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we introverts ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more peaceful sort of place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still?" (He is also supposed to have said, "If you don't say anything, you won't be called on to repeat it." The only thing a true introvert dislikes more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)

With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also dominate social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our extrovertist society, being outgoing is considered normal and therefore desirable, a mark of happiness, confidence, leadership. Extroverts are seen as bighearted, vibrant, warm, empathic. "People person" is a compliment. Introverts are described with words like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn," "self-contained," "private"—narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest emotional parsimony and smallness of personality. Female introverts, I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles, particularly in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being what they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women, lacking that alternative, are even more likely than men to be perceived as timid, withdrawn, haughty.

Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts. Also, it is probably due to our lack of small talk, a lack that extroverts often mistake for disdain. We tend to think before talking, whereas extroverts tend to think by talking, which is why their meetings never last less than six hours. "Introverts," writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an online review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction by the semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts don't outwardly complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse the darkness." Just so.

The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the etiquette books—written, no doubt, by extroverts—regard declining to banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit, it will not be impolite to say "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful person and I like you. But now please shush."

How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and respect his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's the matter?" or "Are you all right?"

Third, don't say anything else, either.


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August 25, 2004, 10:11:09 AM
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WTH AREYOU DOING HERE?!? YOU BLOODY USED CAR SALESMAN TYPE PERSON WHO LOVES TO BE AROUND PPL 24/7 !! GET OUTTA HERE! YAR!! HOOT! AND SUCH AND SUCH!!

What exactly do you have against salesmen nite???(shrugs)

August 25, 2004, 10:25:24 AM
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I generally always give someone the benefit of the doubt. No matter first impressions, I always try to find one positive in someone, and see them in that light. It's not alwyas easy, and that doesn't mean everyone is my closest friend, but it helps when you deal with people who are less friendly. I've seen alot of people that I categorize easily, they fit the category, but as I really get to know them, the reasons why they may be "assholes" becomes evident. Then at the very least, I understand them, even if I don't agree. I try to take the biblical approach, love every one for who they are, and look past any negatives, no matter how big.

In my own case, what you see is what you get. How I am at my work, home, social life, church, internet, IRC, gaming, should all be the same in my opinion. I try not to put on any masks or use any venue to try to be someone I'm not. Transparency is the key.
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August 25, 2004, 01:06:46 PM
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I guess I'm a bit of both... depending on the day =P

Most of the time I'm happy with or without people.  When out and about it's not uncommon at all for me to strike up conversations with total strangers for random reasons (yesterday I overheard someone talking about films; he couldn't remember the title of it and I just had to jump in and help by giving them the answer which resulted in appreciative smiles and a small chat to keep me occupied while waiting for some friends I was meeting =3 ).

I don't hate people at all... I do hate jerks though.  If I think you're one of the few people who fits into 'jerk' when I see you I'll probably still be civil but you'll have to do a lot to convince me otherwise of my initial opinion of you.  Luckily it seems I'm alarmingly good at judging people's characters off the bat so my stubborness has never been a problem and I've even identified a few totally annoying people long before others finally realised how two-faced or nerve-grinding they are ^^

Sometimes I enjoy time on my own though... mind you saying that I guess I'm just thinking of the times my 'me time' is broken by my stalker coming in for me.  He really pisses me off but I feel sorry for him for some reason so I don't get on at him; go figure ~shrugs and sticks tongue out~

August 25, 2004, 01:42:38 PM
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I don't hate people at all... I do hate jerks though.  If I think you're one of the few people who fits into 'jerk' when I see you I'll probably still be civil but you'll have to do a lot to convince me otherwise of my initial opinion of you.
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