Shields

[Fewlio]

It is now, admins had a discussion just to make sure we all know whats what, a few issues are slightly iffy, but quickswitch exploiting to make yourself shoot your gun faster is now a bannable offense, someone will warn you if they see you do it, but eventually you won't get anymore warnings.

*edit* Oh yeah, and seth, it makes it so it doesnt have to crank the chamber so then you can fire your awp slightly quicker.

[Radeon]

I don't quite understand that reasoning..  it shaves maybe .5 of a second off the reload time, but you have to know when to zoom back in to make it effective.  Not only is it hard to develop a technique with it, its also allowed in league play.

[Fewlio]

The reasoning is it is an exploit, and exploits are a bannable offense.

*edit* this also isnt a league server

[Radeon]

What else do you consider an exploit?

[Seth]

oh it skips the bolt operation anime, i see.

i've tryed it and the only "good" result i had was having no shell be ejected though i cant seem to think of a situation that this would be useful

glad we cleared that up cause i use fastswitch all the time and you had me shaking in my boots for a second

[Fewlio]

Yeah, all that slight time it shaves off makes it an unfair advantage seeming that it can one hit everything except for a shield olo.

Other exploits are map exploits, like skywalking olo. I can't think of any off the top of my head but an admin should warn you beforehand, also most exploits you see will be obvious that you are not intended to do so, if you arent sure just ask someone. Boosting someone up onto a higher ledge isnt exploiting, boosting them through the roof is, hostage jumping is exploiting.

[Radeon]

ok no floor boosting..  hostage jumping isn't a factor anymore..  

what about climbing to places using a strafe jump? the cliffs on milita, roof jumping on milita, vines on cbble, dust/dust2 overhangs.

and what about strafe jumping/bunny hopping?

and if i'm using the quickswitch to escape gunfire is that allowed?  
I.E. firing a shot at someone and switching to my knife to run away quickly or pistol to fire at him or someone else?

[BobTheJanitor]

I warned ya what would happen if we started banning 'exploits'... Ohhhhhhhhhh I did....

/me runs away cackling, as having no motherboard now means that he won't have to deal with this for a while!

[Radeon]

Did the board we "borrowed" not work?  I swear to beejesus it worked, asldghweytkalhd  :blink:

[Smouch]

heh, i guess it wasn't the power supply either, bring it tomorrow...Like it never happened

[Leaderz0rz]

So shooting a scout, using my mouse scroll twice then shooting again will get me banned? olo

[Grillkohle]

Hrm. I can't even play without that quickswitch, that reflex to hit 3, fire, hit 1, fire in less than 1 second is not easy to " un-learn" .

[sonic]

Better start now then :p

[BobTheJanitor]

Well it's not like you're going to be instabanned for it, but do try and control your urges. I'll probably warn you a lot and then eventually kick you so you lose all you money if you do it a lot. But after muchos discussion I think we've finally decided that the awp is already powerful enough as is without being able to fire it even faster. Just pretend like it's not an awp and maybe you'll manage to control those urges to quickswitch it.

[Seth]

i've always used quickswitch on the awp and scout as a means to take the zoom off without going into 1x then 2x

but maybe thats just me and i'm crazy v_v

[Smouch]

well, using it to get out of zoom wouldn't be an exploit, it's the switching back and firing.  which gives it quicker reload.  i'm assuming it's okay to do it to get out of a zoom.

[BobTheJanitor]

Yes, let's specify. If you're firing the awp, immediately switching to another weapon and then immediately back and zooming back in at the right moment in order to fire it again without allowing the full reload animation to play, that is an exploit. ANYTHING ELSE involving switching weapons has not been deemed an exploit. Does this cover any and all questions (non-stupid ones, that is) ?

[Black Mage]

since this has wandered far from shields i post this arguement:

weapons:

both teams has almost identical weapons, the t's had an edge in power (ak) and the ct's in stealth (m4, usp)
this gives cts a small edge in sneaking around and breaking through camped areas.

tictacs:

every single gametype (cs, de, as) has t's camping. this is a huge tactical advantage. the cts (with their slightly smaller primary weapon) have to take the t occupied area within a timelimit.
it is far easier for someone to sit back and wait for their target to show up then to sneak up on them when they're probably expecting it.
so far, the best way to break a strong t defence was with a coordinated strike, not giving t's time to react. only problem: you have next to no intel and one lucky shot from a t can mess it all up (if a t is downed, his comrades may have to look an extra 15-60 degrees when they look around)

the cts have had no way of (reliably) brute-forcing their way into a t camped area ... until now

[Radeon]

Um..  DE maps are CT camp maps not T camp maps..  The Ts must assault 2 different sites in which to plant the bomb, its not hard to divide your CT team between the two points and watch the sites.  Hell most of the time the atleast one of the bomb sites is within grenade distance of CT spawn.  I don't really care if the shield stays or goes, but if you take it out of the game you're just handicaping yourself.  Those are like servers that play **NO AWP** and crap like that, the gun is a part of the game just like the shield is.

Onto the other topic of the awp quickswitch, master it, get good with it, then don't use it.  And let me know how hard it was for you to master that technique, not to mention the knowledge of counter awping and good positions and line of fire points.

[Fewlio]

Well, you can boost people, just not through the skybox . Yeah I dont think we are going to disable any of the weapons mainly because CS is not a fair game, its whoever knows the game better wins most of the time, disabling weapons isnt going to change that. The fact of the matter is awp is 1 hit kills, and the scout is two hit with a slightly higher rate of fire, now why let people fire the awp at almost the same speed as the scout when they can just use that?