So Many Newbies...

[crack]

Me: GOOGOGO To your WPS.
Marines: ...
Aliens: ...
NS: Team one has won.

F4 bants need to be inforced.

I can NEVER play a game and have the aliens not leave before winning offically.

[Uranium - 235]

Me: GOOGOGO To your WPS.
Marines: ...
Aliens: ...
NS: Team one has won.

F4 bants need to be inforced.

I can NEVER play a game and have the aliens not leave before winning offically.

The problem is that most F4s occur long after the 'minimum time' has expired, means:

1) Kharra F4.

2) Admin has about 6 seconds to check the scoreboard and determine who F4ed. This is further complicated by trying to determine if someone has just JOINED the game and hadn't chosen a team yet, people that got STEAMed, etc.

3) Admin has to identify and memorize the names, find their steamIDs, ban, and then log it.

It's quite a hassle, and you're given very little time to do it.

[BobTheJanitor]

Seems like the sort of thing an elite coder could accomplish with some sort of plugin, though... Say, it keeps track of an F4, and then what you did immediately afterwards. If you f4 and then join the other time, no problem. If you f4 and then idle in the RR for 10 minutes while the game winds down, there may be questions to be asked. Sure, sometimes there may be a viable reason, but I can't think of one at the moment. If you have to go, quit completely. If you're afk for a minute, stand in a corner. Is such a thing possible? Dev/null I'm looking at YOU. ; )

[Grimm]

I think an interesting thing to do would have the server unbind f4, then bind 'exit' in its place, perhaps after a certain time after the round has started.

[BobTheJanitor]

Ooooooh. But if we're going to do that, it should be:

Bind f4 "say Hey guys, I'm an idiot who wants to quit just because the game isn't going his way. If there are any admins here, I SURE HOPE THEY DON'T BAN ME!!!!"

And then bind mouse1 to "say BANG!" because that's still the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[a civilian]

Though I will of course obey the rules of the server, I don't see why conceding the game is so bad.  Why prolong the game if it is effectively over?  Is it truly fun to play a game that you have no chance of winning, or likewise no chance of losing?

[Grimm]

We all like to have our victories. There have been many times where I've stayed through the end of a losing battle trying to save the last hive, so the marines can have their victory. Its not much of a problem when an Alien victory is missed out on when Marines f4, but being a Marine (for me at least) is a bit more stressful. After doing all that work to win, you want to have that final donce as the hive goes down and you go in search of any fugitive Kharaa.

[Niteowl]

i'm with civilian personally. whether i've commed to overwhelmingly depress all the aliens into F4ing or we get the ping of death, it matters little. the real game i usually won about 5 to 10 minutes before then.

but i toe whatever line there is to toe, so i use the banhammer on f4ers. BEWARE!!

[BobTheJanitor]

Well, it depends. Where do you draw the line really? I mean, I can agree with Grimm's point of view. If we've fought hard and long and that last hive is about to go down, I want to see it explode in a shower of alien goo so I can have something to write home about. If I'm on aliens and the marines have been turtling in their base for 30 minutes, hells yes I'd rather see them F4 than sit there welding everything that I just smashed.

But where do you find the exact distinction of when the game is clearly OVER and it's ok to quit? Maybe they've taken down two hives, but I've got fifty res and cargo's about to go back up and someone else has enough for an onos. Or that game we played last night, eh Owlzer? Anyone would have said it was all over for the marines, and rightly so, but we shoved on through and clutched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Worst examples of it that I've seen is people F4ing over tiny losses. OMG the marines took down double! Game over F4 F4 !!!

Thus the need for a hard and fast rule: If you join the game, you agree to play all the way through. If you do not intend to fight to the last man (or what have you), find another server.

[Lightning Blue]

Let's see here Grimm:


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[URL=www.lunixmonster.net][IMG]http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/html/emoticons/happy.gif[/IMG][/URL]

There you go!

[Dark]

Well, it depends. Where do you draw the line really? I mean, I can agree with Grimm's point of view. If we've fought hard and long and that last hive is about to go down, I want to see it explode in a shower of alien goo so I can have something to write home about. If I'm on aliens and the marines have been turtling in their base for 30 minutes, hells yes I'd rather see them F4 than sit there welding everything that I just smashed.

But where do you find the exact distinction of when the game is clearly OVER and it's ok to quit? Maybe they've taken down two hives, but I've got fifty res and cargo's about to go back up and someone else has enough for an onos. Or that game we played last night, eh Owlzer? Anyone would have said it was all over for the marines, and rightly so, but we shoved on through and clutched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Worst examples of it that I've seen is people F4ing over tiny losses. OMG the marines took down double! Game over F4 F4 !!!

Thus the need for a hard and fast rule: If you join the game, you agree to play all the way through. If you do not intend to fight to the last man (or what have you), find another server.

i frequently pub at LM or Freaks but the worst example of f4ing i've ever seen had to be when we were on hera and as aliens we knew to block off hera from the rines since the general consensous (sp?) of the rines is to take hera right off.  well needless to say we stopped them from taking hera and then bam the entire team f4ed

i personally hate to f4 since i think it is a lame way of ending the game but you know what sometimes things just make me want to break that like when a gorge sits in a vent near some dcs after all the hives are down. <_<

[Grimm]

Thanks LB. My sig in the NS forums is now a banner for the Lunixmonster as well.

[Isamil]

By "Playing all the way through", do you meen no F4ing or not quitting and F4ing?  Ifs its no quitting to, then its a bit of a problem, beacuse someone might just have to leave for RL reasons.

[Geminosity]

if I have to leave I just type 'quit' in console... I don't think I've ever F4'ed beyond doing it to change teams so they're balanced =o

[devicenull]

Hm.. Does this mean I am going to have to expand on this plugin I'm starting to include f4 blocking if the teams are equal?

[Geminosity]

lol, well if you make the plugin also... I dunno 'pause' the game until someone volunteers to swap teams I guess so =3
mind you, you can change teams by typing 'jointeamone' and 'jointeamtwo' or something to that effect but I didn't know that back when I F4'ed to swap over ^^

[BobTheJanitor]

Most of the quits are still for the same reason, they just don't go to the RR so you don't know who to blame. If I ever have to leave the game, you'll always see me giving a reason and saying gg to everyone before I exit stage left.

Also, Gem, I thought you still had to be in the RR to use jointeamX. If I try it outside of the RR I recall getting a 'you are already on a team, go back to ready room, blah blah' error message.

[lolfighter]

As usual, Bob is entirely correct: If you allow F4 after the game is "essentially lost", who is to judge that point? Therefore we need a rather strict rule saying "play the game or bugger off".

[BobTheJanitor]

As usual, Bob is entirely correct

Ahh, can I get this engraved on a plaque to mount on the wall? Lolfighter is clearly a man of great intellect and wisdom as he has recognized this fact whereas others still don't get it after years and years.

Also, so this isn't entirely a stupid spam post: There was an uber-annoying nubpumpkin in the server last night (legion-pattyann-420, something like that but with more l33t in the name) voice spamming and cussing everyone out, and not really playing at all. It actually sounded like two people on one mic. I begged for help in the channel and I believe the only thing they got was a 5 minute mute by an admin. The same person came back later and sat AFK doing nothing until we managed to admin_vote_kick them. (moved every few mintues, to avoid AFK kicker I can only assume)

The point is the stupidity level is rising and we need to be ever vigilant lest we drown in it. Snap bans don't make me feel bad at all, especially when someone is in the game only to be a pain in the posterior. Save the 5 minute mutes for regulars that are getting out of hand, don't give these CS rejects the benefit of the doubt.

[Isamil]

You could try decreasing the % needed for admin_vote_kick.  They can only be started by reserved slot people anyway, so you wouldn't get some random noob doing a vote kick beacuse he thinks someone hacks or something.