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[Azazeal]

it takes 6 minutes and 51 seconds exactly to weld a hive, that is all...gg

[SwiftSpear]

Isn't welder damage based on FPS?

[aeroripper]

az you don't drink enough :-P

[A Boojum Snark]

Swift... all FPS based things in NS were removed in 2.0 :p

[Necrosis]

Is that to SOLO weld a hive?

You know, with enough marines, it might be feasible.

[Niteowl]

Swift... all FPS based things in NS were removed in 2.0 :p

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What's yer source on this? Hmm?!?!

And according to ye olde damage calculator, it's more like 11.7 minutes :S

[A Boojum Snark]

Well, I just went and messed around, FPS does not affect it as I assumed (not counting the quirks in the engine with FPS, just speaking of NS dependancies, remember the whole JP fuel and charge/leap damage fiasco in 1.0).

In 8 minutes of welding the hive I got it to exactly 20% health, which means it would have died at 10 minutes.
I also noticed with mp_drawdamage on that the damage was occuring faster than the hive pain sound/anim played.
The hive also heals itself at a rate of about 2 hp per second, and the welder was doing 4 damage at a rate somewhere between .5 and 1.0 seconds.

[CryForMe]

so the question arises, does the welder do more damage at higher weapon levels? Since we know it can be used as a weapon (a crappy one, but still so), its feasible to think that the higher the weapon level, the more damage the welder does.

[Niteowl]

Welders are not affected by weapon upgrades, interestingly, Hand Grenades are!

[Azazeal]

well whats wierd is on the fr31ns server we started at 10:00d kill the hive at 16:51 solo weld so whats going on here? hive was at full hp with no dcs around it,
also that ye old damage calculator seems to be outdated, being that its 2 skulks bite to kill a marine, when it isnt anymore :p
also according to the calculator welders are affected by weapon lvl i tested the hive at 0 lvl weapon and got
1750 hits, each doing 4 damage to hive has health of : 0, in 700 seconds, excluding reload times.
lvl 3 i got
1346 hits, each doing 5.2 damage to hive has health of : 1, in 538.4 seconds, excluding reload times.
so... i was using a  level 3 welder, honestly the calculator should be updated, but it does prove that the weapon upgrades affect welder damage by little but still thats almost a 400 hit difference

[Niteowl]

Drats! foiled by NS updates again!

[Guspaz]

Anybody else remember the days when JP+Welder was THE way to take down a hive?

[Necrosis]

I miss the old sparkgun, it was a weapon of fear.

Tho even now I resort to the sparkgun in CC if I have one. A knife is ok, but sparkgun has more class.

[ziggot]

Yeah, i remember the first game of NS I ever played back in 1.04. Joined on an eclipse game, was given HA, HMG and a Welder. The welder automatically came up to use so I assumed it was my weapon. Everyone yelled at me as I walked out of base alone to take on the fades with my welder out.

This game was SOOOOOOO confusing at first

[Nooblet]

and look he still does it. NUB!

[TheAdj]

Swift... all FPS based things in NS were removed in 2.0 :p

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Keep thinking that.  FPS still affects a majority of the functions in NS, just not as significantly as before.  To test, join a server (not a listenserver) and set fps_max to 70, then fire off a hmg while timing it.  Then set fps_max to 20 and fire off a magazine and see how long it takes.  I'll bet my paycheck there's a significant time difference.  There is no way to remove "FPS based things" in the halflife engine, despite the 1.1.0.0 HL patch netcode changes that everyone believes were a miracle.

[A Boojum Snark]

Keep thinking that.  FPS still affects a majority of the functions in NS, just not as significantly as before.

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Well, I just went and messed around, FPS does not affect it as I assumed (not counting the quirks in the engine[/i] with FPS, just speaking of NS dependancies, remember the whole JP fuel and charge/leap damage fiasco in 1.0).

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Note the bold italics. I know all that crap about teeny tiny variances due to FPS because of the engine. I speak of when things in NS used to be directly calculated by framerate, such as leap and charge damage, and then they switched over to calculating per second.

[SwiftSpear]

I don't think they ever removed the damage FPS dependancy for the welder, they just nerfed the hell out of the damage it DID do and said it wasn't for attacking anyways.

[2_of_8]

I don't think they ever removed the damage FPS dependancy for the welder, they just nerfed the hell out of the damage it DID do and said it wasn't for attacking anyways.

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Wait... so this means I can hack my FPS to 10000 and insta-gib the hive!?!?

[Necrosis]

Well, if anything, it'd make the world's most interesting ban ticket.