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March 31, 2005, 02:35:26 PM
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My first reaction was april fools too.
If not, hes the nicest hacker ive ever known  <3
Yeah, he'd be the only hacker that I'd want to unban...


That's such a contradiction to me. I'm hearing this on many levels. But honestly, even if HD is/was a nice guy, would you really enjoy playing with him, no matter how nice he was, knowing his leet skills were installed?

Nowhere is it stated hackers are bad people. I came to this community at the same time as HD. We actually came here TOGETHER. That said, I don't think I would be able to have fun knowing the reason I died rushing him was an aimbot (***edited). This is a paradox to me. I see 1/4's very emotional posts, and although HD's responses seemed "trumped up" in comparison to the HD I know, regardless of attitude I don't want a hacker in our community. Sorry.

EDIT: Quoted for clarity.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2005, 02:38:59 PM by [mmi]rad4Christ »
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March 31, 2005, 02:38:00 PM
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LOL.  I still call April Fools.

It's all my fault though!  I voted "Just unban everyone and ban holy devil because that will solve all of our problems" on LB's poll way back.  What have I done?!?!   :o
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But really people, not something to get TOO worked up on, I remember other players being banned or just plan leaving that I liked, but Im not going to make a big deal about it, because after all, it dosn't actually effect my life.

but then again some people could of been more close, I don't know, but don't loose sleep over these kind of things people.

 
Hows my comming? PM!

For the win

March 31, 2005, 02:44:41 PM
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I guess I should have clarified that I wouldn't want him back with his "installed skills" again.

If in someway he wanted to come back,  I'd be more inclined to give him another change over any other offender.

Edit - I still smell a hint of shenanigans...
« Last Edit: March 31, 2005, 03:03:55 PM by Torgo »
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March 31, 2005, 04:21:32 PM
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that's interesting, man... that's ****ing interesting

March 31, 2005, 04:23:40 PM
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Hard to believe, but the evidence is overwhelming.

I don't care anymore how much I enjoyed playing with him, or how much I might in the future, I don't want to play with a hacker.

He might be a great guy in real life (doubt it), I don't know, but that's not the level we all know him on.

Unban? I doubt anyone's serious about this.
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Link to the evidence?
I am Sleek.

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Only in peru would you consider being closer to satan 'winning'... INCA HAX FOR THE WIN!

March 31, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
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The emotion that some people are putting into these replies disturbs me a little.

Its just the internet :o
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This website may be JUST the internet,but The server is more than that to me.
It's the only server i play on since i found it. :blink: . The reason being is that it always betrayed itself as being a community, in which has a variety of people with a descent amount of skill, as dark stated(below), Who are here to kinda get to know each other on There differnt playing styles and strategies.
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the first time i played on lm, HD was there owning everyone and i thought hey this server has a lot of skilled players, and as HD is owning all of us repeatedly, i'll set a goal to get at least on par with him
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I've improved my gameplay because of lessens taught by mr. nonstop lmg rush to hive"HD" and i've gotten Great entertainment from mr. Bill and n00blet the Crazy insomniac and others. :ph34r: !BILLOCATE! FTW :ph34r: . So i have to believe that this is infact a pretty retarded april fool joke, Until i see with my own too eyes.
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March 31, 2005, 04:42:34 PM
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Hard to believe, but the evidence is overwhelming.

I don't care anymore how much I enjoyed playing with him, or how much I might in the future, I don't want to play with a hacker.

He might be a great guy in real life (doubt it), I don't know, but that's not the level we all know him on.

Unban? I doubt anyone's serious about this.
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Link to the evidence?
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No, but the admins have it.
No, they aren't releasing it (some admin said it yesterday in IRC).
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March 31, 2005, 04:51:38 PM
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That's some overwhelming evidence.
I am Sleek.

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Only in peru would you consider being closer to satan 'winning'... INCA HAX FOR THE WIN!

March 31, 2005, 05:08:19 PM
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:o

i believe HD would know that CAL bans for being caught hacking on a pub, so i call april fools.

at least i freaking hope i'm right.  :(

March 31, 2005, 05:09:51 PM
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Are the admins purposefully avoiding this topic, or what? Confirmation on this indeed being april fools? Confirmation on HD hacking?
Please


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Don't know if you'd call this evidence.
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(I join LM, map is ns_metal. HD is alien, Vinnie is spectating. Not sure about this, as I wrote it from memory, not logs/condump.)

Holy_Devil killed NSPlayer with bitegun
Vinegar Ninja: enough is enough
Holy Devil: ?
Vinegar Ninja used admin command admin_ban Holy_Devil



(Seconds later, #lunixmonster)

[2005-03-30 17:28:12] <@Holy_Devil> wtf vin
[2005-03-30 17:28:17] <@Holy_Devil> Vinnie-bleargh
[2005-03-30 17:28:21] <@Holy_Devil> >_>
[2005-03-30 17:28:36] <+Two_of_Eight> haha.
[2005-03-30 17:28:41] <@Holy_Devil> vins an asshole
[2005-03-30 17:28:41] <@Holy_Devil> =[
[2005-03-30 17:28:55] <@Vinnie-bleargh> yea **** you
[2005-03-30 17:28:56] <+Settler> HAXOR!
[2005-03-30 17:28:57] <@Holy_Devil> wth
[2005-03-30 17:28:59] <@Holy_Devil> o_O
[2005-03-30 17:29:00] <+Settler> lolol
[2005-03-30 17:29:12] <+Settler> bantzorsed for hax0rs
[2005-03-30 17:29:14] <@Vinnie-bleargh> sitting there enough games and getting tired of your crap
[2005-03-30 17:29:15] <@Holy_Devil> i kill your egg or something?
[2005-03-30 17:29:20] <@Holy_Devil> what crap
[2005-03-30 17:29:34] <@Vinnie-bleargh> your ****ing wallhacking
[2005-03-30 17:29:37] <@Holy_Devil> ....
[2005-03-30 17:29:40] <@Holy_Devil> oh ffs
[2005-03-30 17:29:43] <@Holy_Devil> its called ears
[2005-03-30 17:29:47] <@Vinnie-bleargh> bull****
[2005-03-30 17:29:50] <@Holy_Devil> you have to be ****ing kidding me dude
[2005-03-30 17:30:00] <@Vinnie-bleargh> no man, this ****ing crap has got to end
[2005-03-30 17:30:05] <+Two_of_Eight> vinnie you serious?
[2005-03-30 17:30:05] <@Holy_Devil> you know what
[2005-03-30 17:30:07] <@Holy_Devil> **** you and **** this
[2005-03-30 17:30:09] <@Holy_Devil> yea im hackingh
[2005-03-30 17:30:15] <@Holy_Devil> too bad it took you so long to figure it out
[2005-03-30 17:30:16] <@Vinnie-bleargh> ****ing asshole
[2005-03-30 17:30:16] <@Holy_Devil> dip**** newbs
[2005-03-30 17:30:17] *** Holy_Devil (~holy@holy_devil.user.gamesurge) left ()
[2005-03-30 17:30:27] <@JHunz> !suspend Holy_Devil
[2005-03-30 17:30:41] <@Zero7> oh dear
[2005-03-30 17:30:51] <@JHunz> !addban Holy_Devil frankly I'm disappointed
[2005-03-30 17:30:51] *** ChanServ sets channel #lunixmonster mode +b *!*@holy_devil.user.gamesurge



(A few minutes later)
[2005-03-30 17:37:03] <+MrBill> ...can I get his admin?
[2005-03-30 17:37:04] <+MrBill> :-D
[2005-03-30 17:37:06] * +MrBill hides
...
[2005-03-30 17:38:18] <@JHunz> !k MrBill not a joking matter
[2005-03-30 17:38:18] *** MrBill was kicked from #lunixmonster by ChanServ ((JHunz) not a joking matter)



(Some time later)

[2005-03-30 17:38:35] <+Two_of_Eight> so what was the hack?
[2005-03-30 17:38:46] <@JHunz> vinnie says wallhacking
[2005-03-30 17:38:48] <@JHunz> he was speccing
[2005-03-30 17:38:54] <+Two_of_Eight> :/
[2005-03-30 17:39:08] <|Co-NS2|Iconoclast> I'm not so sure though
[2005-03-30 17:39:10] <@Vinnie-bleargh> he was
[2005-03-30 17:39:17] <+Two_of_Eight> can you explain?
[2005-03-30 17:39:23] <+Two_of_Eight> not that I doubt the validity of your claim
[2005-03-30 17:39:23] <|Co-NS2|Iconoclast> I mean, its definitely in the realm of possibility
[2005-03-30 17:39:27] <+MrBill> was this a random thing? or have you been suspect?
[2005-03-30 17:39:29] <@Vinnie-bleargh> I was sitting there speccing him oh for the past month or so
[2005-03-30 17:39:47] <@Vinnie-bleargh> and I would think I can spot the wallhackers
[2005-03-30 17:39:52] <@Vinnie-bleargh> seen enough of em
...
[2005-03-30 17:40:59] <|Co-NS2|Iconoclast> Got any demos?
[2005-03-30 17:41:10] <@JHunz> we don't share administrative demos
...
[2005-03-30 17:43:34] <+Two_of_Eight> he's been speccing him for a month :o
[2005-03-30 17:43:47] <@Vinnie-bleargh> we have demos.



[2005-03-30 17:43:51] *** Jimbob (~none@ool-44c0f244.dyn.optonline.net) joined
[2005-03-30 17:43:57] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:43:58] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:43:58] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:44:00] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:44:02] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:44:04] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:44:04] <@Vinnie-bleargh> ......
[2005-03-30 17:44:06] <Jimbob> #lm-admins [password]
[2005-03-30 17:44:06] <Tooky> ^ that being HD?
[2005-03-30 17:44:07] <@Vinnie-bleargh> !b jimbob
[2005-03-30 17:44:07] *** ChanServ sets channel #lunixmonster mode +b *!*@ool-44c0f244.dyn.optonline.net
[2005-03-30 17:44:12] <@JHunz> !addban jimbob
[2005-03-30 17:44:12] *** Jimbob was kicked from #lunixmonster by ChanServ ((JHunz) Bye.)

Hmm?
« Last Edit: March 31, 2005, 05:24:35 PM by 2_of_8 »
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March 31, 2005, 05:50:05 PM
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Could you post the PMs you said you had with him?

March 31, 2005, 06:28:20 PM
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I think it's the most intricate and well planned April Fool's joke ever, personally.

Or maybe he was really hacking.

March 31, 2005, 06:49:30 PM
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Holy Crap, I should probably download the new version of NS now that the skill level on the server has gone down so much.

If this is a joke it is certainly in bad taste because some people, inevitably, are going to reveal their true feelings....awkward....

March 31, 2005, 07:55:26 PM
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Wow...those are some pretty interesting chat logs. Sheesh.
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March 31, 2005, 08:06:49 PM
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You were 2 days early. I wonder what time they're going to unban HD on the 1st.

March 31, 2005, 08:23:16 PM
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if it is an april fools joke, then.. you guys suck at april fools... alot :)
-_^

March 31, 2005, 09:27:11 PM
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Does seem quite weird but thats prob because it happened so quickly and the last thing you'd expect is someone so anti hack/ teamplayer/ strict admin would would be guilty of such a crime.

Weird though, to think 2 days ago I was playing another mod along side with him.... all those games and such...

I dont see why one would use wallhack in NS, I mean comeon you can get motion tracking or SOF :huh:


March 31, 2005, 09:38:41 PM
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If April fool joke, not funny and we are all fools though.  If not, that sure explains a lot.  However, I do have an explanation.  A couple of days ago HD said, "I have man boob :(." Seriously, direct quote.

Because of this, I think that the fact the women are so far from his reach (real women, not the parts of women on his chest) that he needed to make himself the man on LM for self esteem reasons.  Therefore, I propose that man boobs have a direct correlation to hacking.  Therefore, a swift act of Congress can make man boobs illegal.  After this, all man boobs will be cauterized off all men, therefore ridding the world of hackers and boosting self-esteem.  Any foreign hackers will have their countries prosecuted much like Iraq and all man boobs shall be removed.  My reasoning and plain of execution are pure genius.

March 31, 2005, 09:47:58 PM
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Actually Sickwill you might be right.  IIRC Holy Devil has a few problems that make him anti social.  He might have used hacks to fit in and gain respect with in a group to have social contact.

However, I still don't really think HD hacks.  As you all know sound can be a VERY valuable tool in NS.  If you a good skulk you will look like your hacking because you know the location of all marines around you.
 
I would also like to see the these videos that prove HD is hacking.  I realize this would lead to people saying that he didn't hack because they didn't see him.  To remedy this situation I recommend that you post the videos in a locked thread and give anyone who posts about them a 7 day temp ban.  Deal with people on IRC as you see fit.  That should solve the problem of people contesting admin's bans while satisfying regs interest.

March 31, 2005, 10:39:50 PM
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Ive kept quiet with a few things i thought would have been obvious by now. But im gonna say em. Might sound insulting to certain parties, but seriously. Keep in mind, that although I suck, I have been playing HL mods since 1999 (Hobbit, the creator of cs_office used to live down the hall from me and introduced me to cs before it went public beta) and ive been playing NS since the EARLY days of 1.04. I've also been admin on many many servers and even joined the ranks of CAL admins once upon a time (before i realized that most of them were full of crap teenage wastes of life).
1.) If you take A MONTH to spec someone enough to figure out theyre hacking, then chances are, theyre not. No admin who has "seen enough of em" to know someone's hacking would take a month. And if that is indeed the case, i'd expect to see close to a GB or more worth of demos collected as evidence. If you spec for a month and show one demo as proof, sorry bub, that doesnt cut the mustard.
2.) WALLHACKS ARE INTEGRATED INTO NS! MT and SC anyone?
3.) Rines can be heard even when walking. This is a fact. Due to the set speeds at which rines strafe and turn, footsteps are still intermittent.
4.) The oldest trick in the book (which doesnt get caught by mp_consistency) is to delete the sound files for alien footsteps! This way, you can hear anything anytime without being impeded by the sound of your own motion. It's a very simple process, and i know plenty of clanners who do it and CAL doesnt care!
5.) If he does have wallhax, how would that really effect gameplay considering point #2 that i made? So he can see rines without sens or aliens without mt, sure its an advantage (albeit slight as both teams are likely to get those traits anyway), but hes not immortal, and sure as hell didnt have an aimbot.
6.) Plenty of other things make noise, such as reloads, comms, etc. People also check common hiding spots. I cant tell you how many times ive been a skulk hiding in an obscure ass dark corner and a rine whips around a corner and blasts me...because the spot was obscure to me, not to him.
7.) Last, but not least, he killed an NSPlayer. Someone who hasnt played for long enough to be able to change his name (i was teaching my bro how to play under a different name when HD got banned...i saw the final scores, that NSPlayer was indeed new to NS). What does that tell you?

There was once a time when I thought that certain people on the server used hax. So i spec'd, demo'd and watched the demos in slow motion. I found no evidence. HD was one of those people. And let me clue you in on something that anyone who uses hax will tell you: THEY WATCH THE SCORES! If they see someone in spec, theyre not going to make any moves to make the hax apparent unless theyre pub hopping and dont care anyway. People arent stupid. HD wasnt here for pub hopping. He was a part of the community.
And his comments both here and in IRC? I'D DO THE SAME DAMN THING! Wouldnt you? If you were a regular, a RSer and an Admin to boot, and someone accuses you of hax and then bans you from the forums, irc and the server without giving you a chance to back yourself up? I'd be REALLY ****IN PISSED OFF. So it's completely understandable that he blew up in your faces and told you what you wanted to hear out of sarcastic rage. He was never given his chance. Sentence was passed without appeal before the evidence even came to light.
Before you ostracize someone, make sure you got the facts. Give people a chance to defend themselves. Quit jumping to conclusions and telling someone you hate their ****ing guts and then turn around and say "wait, was it a joke?" Admins are frequently wrong about hax, especially in situations where people are extremely skilled and they surpass the admin's own abilities. Its the "he can do something i cant do, so he must be cheating" syndrome. Maybe this should be re-evaluated by people who arent so quick to judge. Sorry if i offended anyone, that was not the intent, however, it seems that many many people are missing the obvious here.
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