Author Topic: Ns.org Comments On Structure Blocks..  (Read 5897 times)

September 19, 2004, 01:11:08 PM
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Necrosis

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I'm sure you've all read the dev comments on structure blocks.


I've made my post on the NS forums, but what do the LM folk think of this? Will it affect LM server rules? Should it? Does anyone thing the Dev team have got it wrong?
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September 19, 2004, 01:34:38 PM
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I suppose when the dev team starts pitching in for server costs, it might. Until then, we'll probably be keeping things the same.

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September 19, 2004, 02:24:31 PM
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I'm sure you've all read the dev comments on structure blocks.
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September 19, 2004, 02:27:40 PM
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read the latest announcement on the NS forums.

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September 19, 2004, 02:31:38 PM
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Type 1: Blocking Vents: The NS team believes that blocking a ground level vent from the outside or building within a vent is exploitive and are investigating measures to remove it from the game.

Type 2: Blocking Corridors, Hallways, Doors: This includes dropping marine structures in locations to block doorways. We consider this to be a valid strategy, and if the marine team has the resources to accomplish this, then that's their decision.

Is it just me or does that sound contradictory?
Type 1: You can't drop buildings (even if you have the res to do so) to block alien passageways
Type 2: you can drop buildings to block passageways

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September 19, 2004, 05:10:16 PM
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lol, i really do wonder if devs actually THINK the community is mature enough to follow these rules...


It's like putting a ADD/ADHD kid  in a small white room for a day with nothing in it besides  a HUGE button that says "Do Not Touch" expecting him/her to actually listen.
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September 19, 2004, 05:34:54 PM
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Must...Not...Touch...Button...

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crap.



September 19, 2004, 06:07:10 PM
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Those rules are preaty much the same ones we follow now anyway.

September 19, 2004, 10:56:14 PM
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The rules basically say that you can't vent block, which everyone agrees with. Even that CAL folks agree with that one.

But then there seems to be confusion about the other two rules, which are that you CAN hallway block, but you can't lifeform block. This would be the difference between dropping a CC wall to cover the aliens getting into a room while you're setting up a siege base, and dropping a CC immediately in the path of a retreating onos.

Regardless, the rules on LM always have been that you use structures for their intended purpose. If you drop a CC you better plan on building it and putting IPs up around it. CC walls also have never been allowed. (that is the building walls ahead of time for protection when no alien are around) On the other hand, aliens blocking just about anything IS allowed, because the effort and res cost for aliens to block off an area with chambers is far more than that for marines. And I've always thought this was the intention of alien chambers, after all, a representation of them slowly taking over the map with infestation.

I'm pretty curious to see how the dev team builds in solutions for these problems. I'm betting building will ghost for a certain number of seconds before becoming solid, or will simply ghost until a marine actually starts building them. At that time we may possibly have a discussion on our blocking rules, but that doesn't mean anything will change, and that remains in the future.

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September 20, 2004, 05:13:59 AM
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Not to mention the direct counter to aliens blocking with chambers: Make the gorge eat lead. There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to prevent a Commander from dropping an unbuilt CC ANYWHERE on the map (which still, even in its unbuilt state, is tough as nails in a concrete block wrapped in kevlar within a barbed wire fence guarded by rabid dobermans that haven't been fed for two weeks except for an occasional burrito). So we have to restrict that kind of behaviour otherwise, by, say, threatening the Comm with dire consequences.
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September 20, 2004, 12:20:59 PM
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There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to prevent a Commander from dropping an unbuilt CC ANYWHERE on the map (which still, even in its unbuilt state, is tough as nails in a concrete block wrapped in kevlar within a barbed wire fence guarded by rabid dobermans that haven't been fed for two weeks except for an occasional burrito).
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September 20, 2004, 01:31:03 PM
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Yeah, the dev's guidelines seem a little contradicting to each other. But what can ya do? As long as we keep good rules on LM, it doesn't really matter.
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September 20, 2004, 02:01:57 PM
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Interesting comments.

I didn't think it'd really change anything about LM, was just interested to kick the subject around. I think ghosting is probably going to be the way to go, but we'll see what happens.
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September 20, 2004, 02:34:15 PM
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Yeah, the dev's guidelines seem a little contradicting to each other. But what can ya do? As long as we keep good rules on LM, it doesn't really matter.
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you are very correct sir

the rules on lm should stand how they are since they sorta address this problem with the Don't be a llama rule :D
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September 20, 2004, 04:59:45 PM
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I'm just afraid that we're going to get some asshats on the server who will start CC blcoking and whatever with the defence of "But the NS devs said it's ok" v_v  <_<  :rolleyes:

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September 20, 2004, 06:57:15 PM
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the rules on lm should stand how they are since they sorta address this problem with the Don't be a llama rule :D
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Not really.  That rule is far too open to interpretation depending on what actions one considers 'lame'.

September 20, 2004, 10:55:28 PM
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Whenever I see a structure dropped in the middle of nowhere, as a adolescent skulk I FEEL it is MY DUTY to cling onto that structure and swing to and fro from it widly while marines spray the otherside full of lead. Ah, the joys of random structures in the middle of hallways. Im sure Im not the only one who loves to cling to marine structures as if it was a playground for skulks.
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September 21, 2004, 08:49:24 AM
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what if your corridor blocking turns into an enemy block due to the route an alien player chooses to take? is it still kosher?!

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plus putting sieges ontop or blocking the two vents in one in red room is now developmentally called illegal, yet it's crucial for sieging hive, zoinks! yet more gray area
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September 21, 2004, 09:18:35 AM
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Solution: STOP USING THAT LAME RED ROOM!

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September 21, 2004, 11:43:22 AM
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It's perfectly possible to siege from red room without needing to block the vents.

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