Ick

[Grimm]

Games are meant to be entertaining. People find CounterStrike entertaining. There is nothing mandatory that says people who play it have to play it a specific way. I've only ever seen people who dislike CS complain that people don't use teamwork, and I've never seen anything that states CS absolutely has to have teamwork to be played "right" aside from non-CSers. Yes, there are two teams competing against eachother, but the game works the way it is.

I really don't see the big deal, I don't see why people have to bitch about this constantly on and on and on. If you don't like the game, don't play it, there is an abundance of other games to play. It really is that simple.

[That Annoying Kid]

Can't people see the shield was designed to stop the camping in the resuce missons, and is easily countered by a strong offensive?

easily countered, the shielder only has a pistol and can easily be flanked by two people as long as one can cover for the other

[Diablus]

Can't people see the shield was designed to stop the camping in the resuce missons, and is easily countered by a strong offensive?

Shileds are taken down by luck, or ganged up on.  Sheilds might have been meant to stop camping BUT of course everyone finds a way to use it for "thier own good" to give them a better score, aka camping with the shield. One thing that pissed me off is when a shielder reloads thier pistol. The shield is flying all over the freakin place in 3rd person, yet in first person the shield is off to the side which is total bs and makes them extremely hard to hit with a semi-auto weapon.

Also sometimes the shield hitboxes glitch and it overlaps the person from behind causing the hitboxes to be overlaped by the shields, ending up in a 360 degree protection. Don't say it hasn;t either because ive seen it with my own eyes, 3-5 times already. It may be rare but its really lame and should be fixed (i think it is being worked on. along with the freakin flying shield when they reload)

[Anarki3x6]

i actually played in a decent semi-pub server today
one of my friends know a bunch of some cGc clan dudes so i went to pub on their server , was an decent cs game , a lil bit more swearing than on pd but at least theres some good pubs out there :p

[Fewlio]

Grimm, I don't Hate CS in general, I hate what it has become. The community used to be much smaller and had less llamas. All the guns used to react much differently. I liked CS because it LACKED teamwork. On the muting issue, can't click any goddamn names in the console so I dont know wtf you talking about you can mute people.

Oh yeah, Structures zapping you from 10 feet away IS a bugfix, because you could dodge the electricity when it didn't reach that far, I know because I did it before. The knockback was also a new feature implemented, which was implemented recently, and Flayra doesn't get payed to patch the game(except from donations from viewers like you!), when the guys over at valve DO.

Oh yeah on the NS balance issue, Onos die fast because their hitboxes were fixed, an old bug which made them into giant meatshields :p. The balance counter for marines is the fade, that is all I have to say. Aliens can also stall the game, but turret spam is easy to counter, as long as the marines dont have full upgrades and aren't shooting at you which is the true cause of the stalling, mainly because the turrets are just speedbumps that are easily biled away.

Also Grimm, I understand that people find it entertaining, I find it entertaining to, just not in pubs. The thing that makes me so angry at CS is the fact that people are getting payed for their work on it now, when before it was just some guys having some fun and making a mod for Half-life. I also don't play pubs, I only play it occasionally on PD. I just hate it because what it has turned into, sure NS is changing a lot and many people despise what it is turning into, but I don't see Flayra working for valve right now and doing diddly about the balance or anything. NS is just Flayras experiment, and we are the guinea pigs. I like NS right now, except I would find it more fun if Fades weren't the aliens only chance at winning. Just have to wait for the next few patches. In CS it isn't wait for the next few patches.


Also, on the shield issue, if it's one guy with a shield and I have a gun such as the AK or the MP5, it's quite easy to take them out, just aim for the head and when they try and shoot you burst away! I find it easier to get headshots on shielders than on non-shielders :p. But on the awp issue, the only reason I find it not so bad is because of its fire rate, the scout shoots noticeably faster enough and if you're good you can take on people much faster with ze scout.

Oh yeah, this just reminded me of another ass old bug in CS, the quickswitch one which makes the awp refire rate slightly faster :p. This bug has been around longer than I can remember yet they don't fix it when they're getting payed.

[Grimm]

I like how all of a sudden I'm the one to bitch at about how people think NS is better than CS.  <_<

I'm going to do my best to not get started on the problems with Natural Selection, because if I do it will be at least three pages long. One thing I do know: Counterstrike is more balanced than Natural Selection will ever be.

Yes the Counterstrike community has gotten worse, but you cannot say that the NS community hasn't gotten worse as well. There are plenty of people in the forums that are there with the soul purpose of upping their postcount on every chance they get, and there are always llamas in game there to ruin the game. Lunixmonster has shown this as a fact with how many people think its funny as hell to parasite their teammates or bite the hive or knife the command chair.

Yes Flayra isn't getting paid for his work, but he is working his way into turning NS into a profiteable product. And he has to be making something off of the Constellation program, if not he wouldn't have put so many 'benefits of joining' into it.

And finally, since nobody can ever understand "Hit escape, click player list, click the name, and click mute", I've made this color-coded chart for everyone to see and understand that you can mute in CS. It really isn't that hard, my 6 year old brother could figure this out.

[Satiagraha]

Lol grimm, nice tut for those of us lazy enough to give up after clicking the screen with the scores up. <_<   I commonly get asked that by people I know because they find it annoying (as do I) when people scream profanities into their mic.

[Keyser59]

After visiting the average CS pub and the average NS pub, I can honestly say the CS pub was more entertaining. For one thing, the actions of your teammates in CS don't hurt your ability to play, so I can still have fun with a team full of idiots, something that I couldn't say about NS.

The smacktard ratio is also about the same I find, but you can easily mute them in both games. The only problem is that in NS they can cause gameplay damage, and in CS pretty much the only thing they can do is TK, which usually ends in them getting slayed by a plugin anyways.

And I hate the shield. Luckily it has been banned by CAL, so I don't have to put up with it in scrims. But there are still ways to exploit so a player is almost invincible. Even if it is fixes, I'm not sure they will allow it in CAL because the whole concept seems counter-intuitive.

[Diablus]

Well, ive been blocked lately in certain maps by smacktards which REALLY ticks me off. Especially when they do it just to get a gun after your killed.

They seem to do it when im scouting, i shoot, try to strafe around the wall, then qickly try it again. But the idiots would sit there with a glock or knife shooting at my head, or knifing me causing me to be blocked and be shot 18439240820 times. Ofcvourse they then take my scout and before even hitting off a shot get owned. v_v



i agree on the shield too, why give Counter Terrorists something that is a anti-Sniper weapon. Yet not give something similiar to the terrorists?


but i guess the badguys are supposed to lose in the end

[Fewlio]

The only thing I find wrong is the bugs with the shield. I find shielders easier to kill also, mainly because if they have the shield up, it takes half a second for them to bring it back down giving you time to nail an easy headshot off. But the bugs where you have to aim somewhere where they arent... or the bug where you can't shoot them anywhere.... Kind of like some of those older bugs for ns which made it easier to shoot people, eh keyser?(hafaf )

But yeah grimm, thanks for showing me that you have to hit ESCAPE AND GO TO PLAYERLIST INSTEAD OF JUST CLICKING ON THE DAMNED SCOREBOARD SO THEN SOME GUY CAN EASILY SNEAK UP ON YOU AND YOU DIE ARG YOU MAKE ME DISLIKE CS EVEN MORE!

[lolfighter]

Experienced that too Diablus? I've gotten mugged in CS. MUGGED IN CS! Feels like it's been forever. Bought an awp (I was still trying to learn how to use the thing, never learned it), guy tells me to give it to him. Me: "No." He: "Give it to me!" Me: "No." He tks me. Really, MUGGED for a virtual gun. Lame. :/

At least an automatic slay plugin got him what he deserved.

[Clashen]

Experienced that too Diablus? I've gotten mugged in CS. MUGGED IN CS! Feels like it's been forever. Bought an awp (I was still trying to learn how to use the thing, never learned it), guy tells me to give it to him. Me: "No." He: "Give it to me!" Me: "No." He tks me. Really, MUGGED for a virtual gun. Lame. :/

At least an automatic slay plugin got him what he deserved.

PWNED! totally.