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Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Tooky on August 02, 2005, 08:06:47 PM: Installer changes
O The installer no longer checks whether Steam is running or not, as it does no real harm if it is.

Gameplay changes
O Skulk wallwalk has been improved:
- Skulks can now vault from walls. When attached to a wall, pressing jump will make the skulk jump in the direction the player is facing.
- Precision wallwalking: While holding +speed (aka walk) the skulk will stick to walls much more rigorously then before. This makes it possible to navigate difficult architecture.
- Wallwalk is now disabled when walking on the floor.

O Hand Grenades significantly reworked:
- Reduced their research cost: 20 res -> 10 res (Classic Mode only)
- Reduced the time between throw and detonation: 2.0s -> 0.75s
- Hand Grenades can now be thrown before the prime grenade animation has finished, allowing faster throws.
- Number of Hand Grenades equipped upon spawn has been increased: 1 -> 2

O Changed Alien gestation times (times are given for Classic Mode and are in seconds, they are scaled down in Combat):
- Skulk 7 -> 3
- Gorge 17 -> 10
- Lerk 20 -> 15
- Fade 23 -> 25
- Onos 38 -> 35

O Implemented teammate query icons:
- Invoking a query from the popupmenu ("Follow me", "Covering you", "Weld/Heal me") displays an icon over the player issuing the query. This lasts for 6 seconds.
- The invoking player may look at another player to issue that order directly to their target. The query will pop up in the upper middle of the target player's HUD.

O Shotgun pellets now spread randomly: five pellets in an outside 20 degree cone, and five pellets within a 7 degree cone

O Duck toggle implemented:
- Bind "toggleduck" to a key to use
- While duck is toggled, pressing +duck will unduck and releasing will revert the player to a ducked state
- This also allows reverse wallwalk; where pressing duck enables wallwalk and releasing it drops you from the wall

O Set Alien base Cloaking opacity from 10 to 0 (aka 100% Cloaking)
O Armory now consistently supplies 10 health with every use (once per 0.9 seconds)
O Added some client-side consistency checks for sprites (e.g. muzzleflash)
O Mines can no longer be placed on players or structures
O Mines can't be placed within 15 units of each other (to avoid exploits)
O Commander created structures now dropped from 4 units above the floor (should help with some sinking structure issues)

Game mechanics
O Added support for labelled minimaps:
- Added new setting to advanced multiplayer options: "Draw Location Names"
- cvar is cl_labelmaps
- default value is 'on' (1)
- Map dynamically switches in both HUD and map view
- When turned on, the game displays ns__labelled.spr in place of ns_.spr, if no labelled minimap exists the default one is displayed.

O Added the ability to toggle off NS's gamma ramp:
- Added setting to the advanced options menu: "Enable gamma ramp"
- cvar is cl_gammaramp
- default is 'on' (1)
- Turning this to off will disable the forced gamma ramp. This should allow players on 64-bit systems and others who recieve "downloadable gamma not supported" errors to bypass the problem and set their gamma and color options via their video drivers.

O The commander can now see the health for all buildings and marines, even when not selected, as transparent health circles. Health circles for selected buildings and marines are rendered as normal.

O Mines and Hand Grenades moved to weapon slot 5
O All sayings from the popupmenu now have a cool down time of 3 seconds, to prevent them from being spammed.
O Changed the popupmenu to better reflect the new teammate orders.
O Commander waypoints and orders now pop up in the receiving player's HUD.
O Placing a structure does no longer automatically give selected marines a waypoint to it.
O Structure health is now always visible to maintenance players (players having a welder or healspray set as their active weapon).
O Hive sight range increased: 1500 -> 3000 units
O Players now have to press f4 twice within two seconds to go to the readyroom as a safety measure.

Cosmetic changes:
O Weapon upgrade level is now ignored when determining how much to shake the screen while firing - it is now constant for Pistol, LMG, HMG, and Shotgun.
O Heavy Armor Player model fixed; now stands on floor correctly
O Buildings produce less smoke and more sparks when recycled
O Updated light and heavy HMG model with new sound calls, including new reload sounds
O Cleanup of titles.txt
O Slight change to the LMG draw sound timing
O End game notifications now display in the center of the screen for 10 seconds with a 2 second fadeout. The text has been reworked to "The TSA Marines have exterminated the alien infestation" and "The alien Kharaa have eradicated the human presence"
O Moved alien resource label down
O Moved the chat text panel down so long lines of text won't conceal the crosshair
O Moved left side help text a bit up to prevent overlapping with the chat panel

Bugfixes:
O Players can now climb up ladders without having to face up or jump on to them (Thanks Soylent Green!)
O Fixed loss of lastweapon information when user makes a redundant weapon selection
O Updated Light marine model, removes phantom shotgun cocking sound present in the models' sound calls
O Fixed a bug where a crouching player on an IP would not be killed
O Structures can no longer be dropped in vents in which they would sink
O Fixed bug where the Onos would not properly uncloak while charging
O Fixed bug where some items in the marine popupmenu ("Start", "Weapon", "Orders", "Comms", etc) would be disabled after exiting the command chair
O The shotgun now properly fires an empty click sound when under water and emptied
O Fixed bug where a dead player would not respawn while a key bound to a +command was depressed
O Releasing duck quickly after pressing it will no longer make the player bounce

Map changes:
O Updated co_sava: (Thanks Mendasp!)
- The vents in the hive are now covered (can't shoot the hive unless you're inside the room)
- Added an empty water container in the Cargo room in order to provide a line of sight block
- Reworked vent system (Lerks can fly in them, shorter travel times, new entrances/exits)
- Removed railings from the Auxiliar monitoring room
- Added more clip brushes to help with the skulk wallwalk in some areas
- Blocked line of sight from the lower entrance to the hive

O Updated ns_altair: (Thanks KungFuDiscoMonkey!)
- Rebuilt Omega Hive
- Rebuilt Consistency Hive
- Rebuilt Marine Start
- Rebuilt Station Monitoring Main
- New Life Support Hive
- New Sub Bay
- Modified the layout of the center of the map
- Changed the P-Corridor to Station Monitoring Main path into a vent
- Added a new path to connect Access Corridor Zeta to Station Monitoring Annex
- Moved the Station Monitoring Stabilty res node to Station Monitoring Annex
- New Readyroom
- Reworked much of the lighting on the map

O Updated ns_bast: (Thanks Mendasp!)
- Fixed Onos spawn issues (redemption / movement chamber) in Feedwater
- Added vent from Feedwater to Atmospheric processing
- Extended path between Engine and Water Treatment
- Fixed stuck point behind the Observe match ladder in the ReadyRoom
- Fixed invisible wall in Refinery Hive above copper pipes
- Lowered ceiling in the corridor between the Marine Spawn and Main Aft Junction

O Updated ns_eon: (Thanks Olmy!)
- Significantly reworked the Node Layout
- Extended Core Monitoring closer towards Core, so that the joining corridor is shorter, and so sieging is easier
- Renamed Coolant Maintenance to Coolant Transfer
- Shifted Coolant Transfer south, to put it closer to core, so that the joining corridor is shorter, and so that sieging is easier
- Widened Cooland Transfer
- Fixed all vis errors
- Opened up the Repair Bay/Maintenance Corridors area a bit
- Opened up Sleeping Area considerably (no more dead ends), and made navigation easier (flat ceiling etc)
- Improved Sleeping Area visually slightly
- Rerouted Life Support vent from Sleeping Area to N-Turn
- Added a new room (with vent access) on the Eastern end of Engine Walkway to house a res node
- Sbend reworked visually
- Vent exit in Sbend changed to exit out of a small room off of Sbend
- Added alot more infestation in the hives
- Added crate at East exit of Marine Start, and moved MS RT slightly East
- Fixed all the sinking structures problems associated with metal grates (apart from the ones in The Hub, as the structures are easily accessible anyway)
- Fixed the bug where you could build structures on the antenae (spikes) outside the Communications window
- Removed the water in Engineering Hall hive, and raised the broken floor so that you can step up it easily
- Added a shielded area on the central structure in Core hive, and also lowered the hive
- Widened the North and South corridor coming off of Core Monitoring
- Made the 'donut' east of Gunpods more spacious (the central structure is considerably smaller now)
- Deleted the Core Power -> Core Monitoring vent
- Made the corridor entering Living Area from Life Support less convoluted and deleted the door so it is less confusing
- Some minor r_speed optimisations here and there

O Updated ns_hera: (Thanks Merkaba!)
- More MS tweaks - the glass walkway is now wider, and the entrance into the MS from this direction is now wide open.
- Added a small window overlooking the corridor from Cargo, allowing marines to attack incoming aliens without fear of melee attacks. This has potential to make it hell for aliens, or just mildly annoying.
- Extremely bright light in Northern Corridor is now a lot easier on the eyes.
- Hopefully fixed the problem with wallwalking through the vent into Data Core hive.
- Sticky light fixtures from MS -> Fog Corridor fixed.
- Redesigned MS -> Cargo route to remove the marine-sized door bottleneck.
- Added a weldable underneath the lift between MS-Cargo - welding brings the lift up and seals off that entrance.
- Put in hint brushes in MS in an attempt (read: attempt!) to bring r-speeds down. It's better in general now, but still goes over 700 in spots.
- Hopefully fixed the stuck-problems in ventilation. All the tunnels now have smooth surfaces allowing for Sasier skulk movement too.
- Tweaked Ventilation Hive, main change being that skulks/lerks/gorges can walk across the area under the hive without having to jump over the...er...struts, or whatever they are.
- Added a hole in the weldable grate in northern corridor, allowing skulks/lerks/jetpackers/fades through, and gorges + marines from one side only.
- Extended vent from Archiving Hive to Northern Corridor so it has another exit above the RT in same corridor
- Fixed the most minor of graphical artifacts in Reception (this was my fault and nothing to do with the wires texture or anything else)
- Fixed HOM in Northern Corridor (Like I need to say that...)
- Added a ladder in Holoroom leading up onto the balcony to cargo
- Retextured Ventilation to an extent
- Modified RT room in Processing so the RT is no longer blocked from view until you run around the centre computer console
- More minor changes

O Updated ns_metal: (Thanks Quazilin!)
- Made Marine start smaller
- Fixed 2 location names
- Added cover in the hallways near Storage D
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: That Annoying Kid on August 02, 2005, 08:09:39 PM: people who rush to say that and spout steam user data just irk me, if NS is dying let it die and shut up about it, I'm still going to play my favorite online game, it was the first game I got heavily into community aspects, and I remember reading about NS when it was just released salivating, and this changelog (http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns/v31p-changelog.html) gave that memory a couple runs for it's money specifically

- Skulks can now vault from walls. When attached to a wall, pressing jump will make the skulk jump in the direction the player is facing.
- Precision wallwalking: While holding +speed (aka walk) the skulk will stick to walls much more rigorously then before. This makes it possible to navigate difficult architecture.

O Invoking a query from the popupmenu ("Follow me", "Covering you", "Weld/Heal me") displays an icon over the player issuing the query. This lasts for 6 seconds.
- The invoking player may look at another player to issue that order directly to their target. The query will pop up in the upper middle of the target player's HUD.

O Set Alien base Cloaking opacity from 10 to 0 (aka 100% Cloaking)
O Armory now consistently supplies 10 health with every use (once per 0.9 seconds)
O Added some client-side consistency checks for sprites (e.g. muzzleflash)
O Mines can no longer be placed on players or structures
O Commander created structures now dropped from 4 units above the floor (should help with some sinking structure issues)
O Added support for labelled minimaps:
O All sayings from the popupmenu now have a cool down time of 3 seconds, to prevent them from being spammed. <-- .txt anyone?

want to post more, computer leaving

damn
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: aeroripper on August 02, 2005, 09:05:37 PM: I like the idea of seeing the health of all marines\structures as commander with a transparent health. That'll speed up my commanding a little :D

I wonder what they mean by "waypoint will show in players hud" ... doesn't it already do that?

Skulk movement sounds awesome, i never understand i always thought that skulks would spend the majority of their time on walls\ceilings anyways...
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: confused! on August 02, 2005, 09:18:21 PM: i think the order shows means that the hud will indicate you have been issued a waypoint.

"you have been issued a waypoint: please weld confused(by the cc)"
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Lightning Blue on August 03, 2005, 12:25:02 AM: How is this going to fix NS? I don't see anything about serverside performance!
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 03, 2005, 05:36:10 AM: Quote
i think the order shows means that the hud will indicate you have been issued a waypoint.

"you have been issued a waypoint: please weld confused(by the cc)"
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Something like that, yes. It's a small waypoint or order icon with directional arrows. You also get it when a player looks at you and issues a "weld me", "heal me" or "follow me".

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How is this going to fix NS? I don't see anything about serverside performance!
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As mentioned in the other thread, I'd love to see some performance logs to continue working on the performance.

It is strange that LM doesn't get anything, when servers like Surftown has gotten well over 100% server FPS boost during heavy load times.

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I have to say that these are some pretty sweet changes. The skulk wallwalking and hand grenade changes are especially cool.
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Oh they are. The grenades feel totally like a new weapon now.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Diablus on August 03, 2005, 08:26:37 AM: im looking foward to playing 3.1. Can't wait for the 100% cloaking, you can really emss with Marines heads now before you kill em >:D
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Manta on August 03, 2005, 09:19:04 AM: The chuckle will now be feared more than ever.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Bryan on August 03, 2005, 09:29:24 AM: i like every thing a lot. im going to miss the 10% visiable skulks it made the flash light usefull for something. on the other hand i hated looking like a christmus tree every time i turned it on ;)

Bryan
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Goldy on August 03, 2005, 10:34:53 AM: Impulse 7 is your friend. It both chuckles as an alien, and says "follow me" as a marine. It's win-win!
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Niteowl on August 03, 2005, 10:52:25 AM: Oh goody!
*starts up dreamweaver, flash, fireworks, gimp, textpad*
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Manta on August 03, 2005, 11:19:39 AM: Does this 100% cloaking change mean that cloaked aliens won't be exposed by gas anymore?
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 03, 2005, 11:39:59 AM: Yes.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 03, 2005, 11:41:23 AM: Quote
Impulse 7 is your friend. It both chuckles as an alien, and says "follow me" as a marine. It's win-win!
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The impulses have been moved around a bit, so the follow me for marines actually means follow me for aliens too :cool:
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Malevolent on August 03, 2005, 12:08:14 PM: Being able to jump off of walls as a skulk is pretty sweet, I must say. The changes are very nice. I think I will have to check the new version out when it's released.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Diablus on August 03, 2005, 12:10:00 PM: :huh:
http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3387 (http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3387)
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: aeroripper on August 03, 2005, 03:44:43 PM: Quote
The impulses have been moved around a bit, so the follow me for marines actually means follow me for aliens too

So the aliens have a follow me comm now too? So this new "orders" system for marines where they point at another marine and hit "cover me... etc" will work the same for aliens as well?
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 03, 2005, 04:49:40 PM: Correct. Weld me = heal me for aliens.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Manta on August 03, 2005, 05:30:40 PM: Wall-jumping skulks will be cool. I can see it giving marine-skulk fights a bit more action, as well as allowing skulks to actually make use of ceiling drops without getting shot before they touch the marine.

I really like the new request system. Now I'll actually get welded as a heavy, instead of having to hide behind everyone in a charge.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: aeroripper on August 03, 2005, 06:39:48 PM: Quote
I really like the new request system. Now I'll actually get welded as a heavy, instead of having to hide behind everyone in a charge.

generally i'd imagine you probably still do that just to avoid getting killed in the line of fire... you just might get welded quicker without having to say it over voice comm\ jumping up and down with welder
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Manta on August 03, 2005, 08:28:42 PM: I think if I had a big icon over my head telling others to weld me, I wouldn't hide as much. At most, I'd step behind a pillar or wall when a fade blinks in.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Spectre X on August 03, 2005, 08:40:56 PM: at least, with the grenade thing, i can finally kill someone with a grenade :p instead of the usual: prime the grenade, get raped by a fade (or 2 or 3 skulks) and no one dies but me.

<edit> p.s. im used to cs nades, lol.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Manta on August 03, 2005, 08:50:38 PM: Eh, nades weren't horrible before. You just had to have some foresight; you couldn't pop out nades like you could a gun.

Just ask Goldfish. :D

But I agree, nades will be more useful now. I still don't think you'll be able to use them like you could use, say, CS grenades. You'll have to plan a bit ahead, but you'll also be able to use them to react if the alien is far enough.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: That Annoying Kid on August 03, 2005, 11:35:58 PM: Quote
How is this going to fix NS? I don't see anything about serverside performance!
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^^

Touche indeed

*Tak glances at tanke momentarily
*Tak ponders asking on NSF

NS has always been not so hot on the serverside optimization, but still it would be nice to know whats going on, LB makes a good point

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yeah Manta, I've always wanted the hand grenades to have more bounce and oomph to the throw, so you can send them off a wall or two. I'm a fan of putting cooking in. NS has always made leaps and bounds in the small things that make it look nice on the HL engine, but that doesn't make up for the kind of server usage I see alot of people gripe about
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Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Scuzball on August 03, 2005, 11:54:30 PM: Oh... mah god...

Skulks can launch of walls? How far? Does it play a sound? Can you combine it with a leap!? I wish I had more details!

I also wish I could play NS... right... now...

>_<
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 04, 2005, 05:54:12 AM: Quote
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How is this going to fix NS? I don't see anything about serverside performance!
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^^

Touche indeed

*Tak glances at tanke momentarily
*Tak ponders asking on NSF

NS has always been not so hot on the serverside optimization, but still it would be nice to know whats going on, LB makes a good point

I find it strange that most other server operators have said differently after 3.0.5, and even provided us with specific numbers. Best case so far has been Surftown, which had an average of 250% FPS increase for 24 players ... I don't really see the touché in LBs statement unless I get some numbers.

I'd love to get a hand on any performance statistics you got for LM, as well as the server configuration, list of mods etc., to see where the problem is.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Goldy on August 04, 2005, 07:32:15 AM: Quote
Eh, nades weren't horrible before. You just had to have some foresight; you couldn't pop out nades like you could a gun.

Just ask Goldfish. :D
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That was total luck, you said you didn't even know I was up there!

So what is the impulse for chuckle going to correspond with for marine? Taunt? That would make it TWICE as cool!

By the way, all of these requests don't get in the way of seeing things, do they? I've always thought there was a little too much "stuff" on my screen. Moving the text is helpful, but I hope the icons in the HUD and above players don't make for even more clutter.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: devicenull on August 04, 2005, 11:47:47 AM: Quote
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How is this going to fix NS? I don't see anything about serverside performance!
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^^

Touche indeed

*Tak glances at tanke momentarily
*Tak ponders asking on NSF

NS has always been not so hot on the serverside optimization, but still it would be nice to know whats going on, LB makes a good point

I find it strange that most other server operators have said differently after 3.0.5, and even provided us with specific numbers. Best case so far has been Surftown, which had an average of 250% FPS increase for 24 players ... I don't really see the touché in LBs statement unless I get some numbers.

I'd love to get a hand on any performance statistics you got for LM, as well as the server configuration, list of mods etc., to see where the problem is.
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http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3392 (http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3392)

Comparing the default server.cfg to LM's server.cfg.. the only thing I see that could effect FPS is
sv_voicecodec voice_speex
sv_voicequality 4

So I'm not sure whats causing it, unless its speex

Past the general hlds stuff you have to wait for LB :p
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: aeroripper on August 04, 2005, 01:54:47 PM: don't change voice quality 4 :(

One thing i like about LM is its good voice clarity and is a lot nicer than most other servers...
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: devicenull on August 04, 2005, 02:22:57 PM: Quote
don't change voice quality 4 :(

One thing i like about LM is its good voice clarity and is a lot nicer than most other servers...
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I didn't say we were chaging it, I said its the only non-default thing in the server.cfg that could change FPS/CPU usage

On a related note, I created a simple perl script that querys the server every minute to server CPU usage/FPS.
I'll eventaully set it up so that it reports the average CPU usage per player amount.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 04, 2005, 02:27:20 PM: Awesome. You might want to measure server FPS at the same time, as the are related, but different metrics and more relevant to the entire issue with hitreg.

Edit: You may have 100% CPU usage in two cases, but 10 server FPS in one, and 100 in another, and the one with 100 will play smoothly.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: devicenull on August 04, 2005, 02:35:46 PM: Quote
Awesome. You might want to measure server FPS at the same time, as the are related, but different metrics and more relevant to the entire issue with hitreg.

Edit: You may have 100% CPU usage in two cases, but 10 server FPS in one, and 100 in another, and the one with 100 will play smoothly.
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It logs the output of the stats command.. which gives you
CPU In Out Uptime Users FPS Players
23.74 11.47 11.78 1155 84 85.34 5
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Bryan on August 04, 2005, 04:55:36 PM: bows b4 devicenul.

Bryan
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Necrosis on August 04, 2005, 06:35:44 PM: Patch sounds pretty awesome to me, randomised SG, cloaking tweaked, wallwalk tweaked up and a pounce-y move thrown in.

Should be some good times to come!

As an evil constie I certainly look forward to trying to sneak my way into a stress test, failing that I think I'm going to clear my weekends to get some solid gaming in, this patch looks like it'll shake a few things up... or so I hope!!
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: devicenull on August 04, 2005, 06:57:21 PM: Leak me the beta :p
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Lightning Blue on August 05, 2005, 08:12:29 PM: Quote
Awesome. You might want to measure server FPS at the same time, as the are related, but different metrics and more relevant to the entire issue with hitreg.

Edit: You may have 100% CPU usage in two cases, but 10 server FPS in one, and 100 in another, and the one with 100 will play smoothly.
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Since I have other things running on the box, 100% CPU use with ANY FPS is unacceptable.

I don't really give a damn about good FPS, give me better CPU performance.

Caged at 8 players is doing 40% CPU, 90 FPS. I've never ever looked at FPS really.

She's a PIV 2.8 with 512 ram, win2k3 server, IDE.

win32 dlls/nsafk.dll
win32 dlls/unstuck_mm.dll
win32 dlls/logmod_mm_i386.dll

Very lean with plugins, dev could tell you what AMX has loaded.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 05, 2005, 09:13:45 PM: Well then you're in a completely different domain.

HL attempts to squeeze as much as possible FPS from the CPU it can get. We can't reduce the CPU usage, but we can increase the FPS you get from the allowed CPU time with optimizations. I guess it's up to the OS or HL itself to reduce the allowed CPU usage, we can't controll it at all.

But if you find a way of restricting the allowed CPU usage, you should be able to restrict it down a bit and still have the same FPS as you had pre 3.0.5.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Asal on August 06, 2005, 12:26:00 AM: This is going to be fun. >:D
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: Lightning Blue on August 06, 2005, 01:52:40 AM: Nope, 2.01 used on average of .5%-10% of CPU for a full server on most maps. It was better then CS. Then Flay broke something and the CPU use went crazy like it's been for a very, very long time. We even tried figuring out what is was but other things came up.

I don't see really what the big deal is. It's not the allowed CPU use I am talking about, it's not using that much CPU in the first place.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 06, 2005, 05:50:58 AM: We have control over the executed code per frame. The number of frames executed is for the HL code to decide. Even if every frame took one nanosecond, we would not be in control of the number of frames and could end up with 100% cpu.

Anyway, tried to tweak sys_tickrate?
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: That Annoying Kid on August 07, 2005, 03:21:01 PM: [random]
I myself couldn't see the touche in LB's first 'statement, I just wanted to facilitate a discussion about serverside performance in an attempt to fix one of LBs big NS gripes

<3 TFIAT
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: devicenull on August 07, 2005, 08:22:38 PM: Right now, for each new player that connects, the server uses %3-5 more cpu. When I connect by myself and hop around, I see it going from 2% to 14%. So when the server's full, its using 50%+ of the cpu. If this was just occuring on LM, NS server rentals wouldn't be 30% more expensive then CS ones. (nuclearfallout.net 10slot, CS: 28, NS: 42)

If a large hosting company cannot regulate the cpu ns uses, I don't really think we have a chance at doing it for each server.

This isn't even counting the random times when the cpu usage spikes to 100% and stays there, requiring HLDS to restarted.

I'm not sure how much I would trust the values past 11 players, because I haven't had the chance to get more data on them.
Title: NS 3.1 Changelog (Preliminary)
Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 08, 2005, 05:27:04 AM: Nice. If you can keep on to that and keep sampling, it would be of tremendous help when we next time do some optimizations.