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Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Vinegar Ninja on May 07, 2005, 10:11:02 AM

Two people have recently been stripped of their Reserved slots.
This was an action done not by one admin, but by ALL of us. We held debate for one week, and at that time, a decision was made to remove the slots of two members.
They have many offenses against them, and refuse to heed our warnings to shape up. We dont want people who will constantly ignore our rules and insult our warnings. So their slot was removed for those reasons. Not any personal grudge, not any vendettas, but all of the admins saying "enoughs enough"

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: esuna on May 07, 2005, 10:12:25 AM

All of the admin staff? Ok, Archi, you're getting your ass banned from #secretchannel.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Architeuthis on May 07, 2005, 10:20:21 AM

Yeah well you deserve it esuna you ****ing piece of ****, I can't believe all the horrible trouble you've cause for the server over the years! I'm very glad we'll be FINALLY rid of you and your **** little **** friend Sonic!

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: sonic on May 07, 2005, 10:24:43 AM

"all" the admins?...you mean just the incompetant ones?

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: esuna on May 07, 2005, 10:47:27 AM

Why is it, that whenever any kind of admin action against known, regular or liked parties, everyone starts passing the buck.

For instance, the pm (http://dump.creativeblank.com/noslot.txt) i recieved informing me of my slot removal is from a 0 post admin account called Lunixmonster Staff (http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/index.php?showuser=28). Why do people have to do this?

Since i know for a fact this isn't a unanimous admin decision, why can't those involved with the accusation have the goddamned balls to stand up and say it's them? Hell, i don't even need you to do that, as i can pretty much guarantee this was spearheaded by Vinnie and backed up by at least GrayDuck.

You sit there and accuse us of not following the rules? Sure, we swear, sure we stand our ground and stand up to anyone being an asshole, guess why? We're human, we're not here to be treated like **** by people with "power" or "authority." Get over yourselves. But if the rules are really so important, why don't i see Vinnie, Zero7 or Temm losing their slots. All of whom i've seen "break the no-swearing rule" on multiple occasions. And what's more, none of whom actually got kicked for the offense. Double standards? Hell, a few days ago Temm managed to get the word cunt into about 10 lines in a row on IRC, did we see a kick or a ban? No, we didn't.

So how about some other rule breakers or those who are doing more damage to the server or environment we play in than either i or sonic are.

We have DHP, the dedicated spectator-actually-on-IRC-not-caring admin, who has, as far as i've seen, made a grand total of 1 admin action ever. Also the only admin i've ever needed to go to IRC and use !admin to get anything done.

Or there's Malevolent, the admin with such a keen eye that he failed to notice 3 people spawncamping the entire duration of a game and with the rest of his own team screaming about them.

Or how about Vinnie, whose only admin actions i've ever seen were moving me to a different team twice in 2 consecutive games, entirely just because he knew it would piss me off.

How about GrayDuck, the nemesis to fun the world over.

Or finally, what about ebnar, the only person i've seen to break far more rules than he's ever enforced (Since he enforced no rules, not really all that hard i guess) by never listening to the comm, spawncamping, rambo'ing, flaming down team members and the comm, and the like.

You people have no ****ing idea what you're doing, you really don't. How can you claim that people that use the word "****" ever so often are damaging the server more than your negligent admins?

But hell, this is the end of my NS days, no res slot means with my 120-140 ping i'll be slotkicked most of the time, and since i've dedicated the last year and a half to a single server, i don't want to play elsewhere. Good job. Way to kill someone's enthieusiasm for the game.


EDIT: Also, don't jump down my throat about the ebnar comments, i'm fully aware that he lost his admin, but the guy deserved to be banned for the amount of rules he broke, hell, i've seen a lot of people banned for lesser things. It's entirely relevant. But hey, with favouratism running rampant, why ban the people that deserve it, let's just ban the ones you hold some petty grudge about.

And also, since it's somewhat relevant:

<Anonymous49 and 50> The way I see it, the server's not gonna die because a few people cracked a few jokes, the world will not end if one or two people are on the recieving end of a ribbing, but the server WILL end if "holier than thou" "SUPARADMINES" can't put a lid of their e-wangs for ten seconds to realise we're all human and pretty much all over 13 years old
<Anonymous49 and 50> Personally, I support rules and the enforcing thereof, but what I don't support is some people's pretention that comes with being given an @. You're an op, you're a forum mod, you're a server admin, you're not god, how about you get down in the **** with the rest of us. You were all once lowly runts like us, and except for your server icon or forum member group, you're still the same person. I won't bite my tongue bcause
<Anonymous49 and 50> you're an admin, I won't hold myself back because you have an @, and if you want to let loose at me, do it. You're in no position of power, just as I am no better than you, how about some of you take your thumbs out of your asses and realise that
<Anonymous49 and 50>  There's a good few admins that are really a fun bunch to be around, Archi, Niteowl, ABS, and so on, you're down to earth and nice guys to deal with, but there are a few of you who need to take a step down off of your high horses. You're acting like this is your "job," it's not. You're invited to do it in your spare time, you're not being paid,
<Anonymous49 and 50> it's a hobby, ok? When I'm playing games, I don't want some little goddamn Hitler breathing down my neck ordering me to hold my tongue, no, I want someone who's down to earth to say "Hey, maybe you should tone down a bit." The human approach is 10x more effective than raping someone with the ban-ass-plug, and ontop of that, it generates like 10x the respect for that person. Respect is earned, just because you're an admin
<Anonymous49 and 50> doesn't mean it grants you instant respect. Yes we, as the grunts and the playerbase for this server, need you admins around, we need you to keep the ****tards and assholes well away to not ruin our games, but we also need you to be human for once, treat us with the same respect you'd like to be treated yourself, and how about the next time you're acting like a little oppresive son-of-a-bitch, you think to yourself "hey,
<Anonymous49 and 50> maybe I can resolve the situation and NOT further piss people off by just. being. human."

What i said in archi's crusade a while back.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Magmatron on May 07, 2005, 11:02:47 AM

Approved these two wonderful posts. The whole of the active admin staff was given a week to come up with any reasonable objections. Nobody could really think of anything, so that was that. There have been other discussions, and admins have come forward with decent reasons in those cases. The Lunixmonster Staff account was made to prevent people just blaming an admin with a grudge instead of taking a look at themselves and their actions.

Edit: Moving this to the Soapbox, since I can't be bothered to check here every 8 minutes and I know everyone and their grandmother will have an opinion on the inner workings of the admin staff, being experts and all.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: LowCrawler on May 07, 2005, 11:09:12 AM

Esuna is right here. . Why is it that the slotters and other members are going through such reforms, yet the admin staff is immune to anything?

whines, kicks, bans, etc., based on solely personal complaints, rather than actually enforcing any concrete "rules". A perfect example of what an admin should NOT be.

I'm in IRC right now looking at the list of admins... and I dont see any that you can depend to see on the server at least once a day. Anyone can see that something needs to change here... its not necessarily because we dont like any particular admins, (though this isnt a false statement) its because we need some who can "do the admin duty"

IMO this means to quit bitching about the abuse of the admin signal... to quit whining about stepping on anyone's toes with a kick or a ban... (this only applies to server nubs though, noone seems to care if the regs are mistreated a bit.)

The double-standard that Esuna has mentioned is all-too apparent. And it doesnt just seem to apply to Sonic and Esuna. Several times have I personally been ganged up on and flamed in the IRC, and noone says a word. I use the f-word ONCE and i find a kick.

I can honestly say i whole-heartedly agree with the complaints against specific admins Esuna has made. Took the words right out of my mouth, actually.

I enjoy lunixmonster very very much, because of the environment on the server itself and the majority of the people on are my friends, with whom i get along quite well and have no complaints about.

My goal here is to ask for the admins themselves to personally review their position. You may want to ask yourselves: "Am I doing my job here?" "Am I making myself necessary or am I just arguing with a few 'troublemakers'?"

Only my opinon of course.

Ness's little quip at the end basically summed up the whole "elitist" argument right there, thanks bud, saved me alot of typing.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Architeuthis on May 07, 2005, 11:11:05 AM

So Ness, how are Sonic and esuna going to read or post in this thread now?

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: esuna on May 07, 2005, 11:14:30 AM

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Approved these two wonderful posts. The whole of the active admin staff was given a week to come up with any reasonable objections. Nobody could really think of anything, so that was that. There have been other discussions, and admins have come forward with decent reasons in those cases. The Lunixmonster Staff account was made to prevent people just blaming an admin with a grudge instead of taking a look at themselves and their actions.

Edit: Moving this to the Soapbox, since I can't be bothered to check here every 8 minutes and I know everyone and their grandmother will have an opinion on the inner workings of the admin staff, being experts and all.

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And you see, here's what i was talking about.

Nobody could think of a reason to not ban me, hey, how about the fact that i'm a regular player, i don't spawncamp, i don't exploit, hell, i don't break a single rule barring the swearing one, and has anyone ever asked me to stop swearing? Yes, HD has on a few occasions, guess what, i stopped. You know why? Because i have respect for someone that can actually take the situation into hand and be rational. Now if Vinnie or someone comes along and just kicks me for it, will i stop? No. Because they don't have the damned decency to actually ask, no, they just flaunt their "power" and assume that's the be all and end all to the situation.

And your sarcasm on the end, again, what's the point to that? I mean, i'm here, stripped of my res slot and, quite frankly, on the verge of being banned, because of my attitude and language, and in the very thread i'm making an attempt to defend myself, you come along with the same ****ty attitude that i'm in trouble for. Great job. You're a credit to the community.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Clashen on May 07, 2005, 11:19:08 AM

^ LOL

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Dubbilex on May 07, 2005, 11:19:18 AM

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Approved these two wonderful posts. The whole of the active admin staff was given a week to come up with any reasonable objections. Nobody could really think of anything, so that was that. There have been other discussions, and admins have come forward with decent reasons in those cases. The Lunixmonster Staff account was made to prevent people just blaming an admin with a grudge instead of taking a look at themselves and their actions.

Edit: Moving this to the Soapbox, since I can't be bothered to check here every 8 minutes and I know everyone and their grandmother will have an opinion on the inner workings of the admin staff, being experts and all.

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The smurf account doesn't prevent any blame from being passed around, you know?  We all know whose brainstorm this was and, in making themself unnacountable for their own actions, that admin has lost what little respect I had left for them (I am of course being generous).

Have some decency and stop hiding, sir.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Diablus on May 07, 2005, 11:26:45 AM

I really dont see why Esuna and Sonic lost their RS due to the overdone cursing and flaming every once inawhile, esuna does bring up alot of good points...

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Malevolent on May 07, 2005, 11:35:03 AM

Despite what all of you may think (since you were definitely not involved with making the decision), every admin supported this.

The Lunixmonster Staff account represents all of the admins, and that is it. It represents our decisions as a whole and this time it was unanimous. If it was a majority that thought we shoud do this, it would still happen since most of us wanted it.

There is no way around this. Sonic/Esuna, you have been acting up a great deal swearing and disagreeing with pretty much everything.

Some reserved slotters might not agree with this because they don't see any of their (Sonic and Esuna) so called offenses. Many admins have confirmed that they have done these things that we took their slots away for. The thing is, all of us admins communicate with each other when we notice things, and when it starts adding up, something needs to be done.

Sonic and Esuna: You haven't been banned. You can still play on the server and earn your slots back.

Anyone else who didn't have a RS would probably already be banned.

EDIT: Typo.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: esuna on May 07, 2005, 11:36:56 AM

How about another for the list, Devicenull advertising his illegal World of Warcraft server on #lm and telling people how to download the game for free and play it. Totally illegal, i might add.

Let's put that into perspective of Wascally Wabbit, who was banned for a day for posting an IP for a WC3 server for someone who asked for it in #lm.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: LowCrawler on May 07, 2005, 11:37:36 AM

okay, show us the convo. lets see the unanimous admin decision.

beacause im calling bs.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Magmatron on May 07, 2005, 11:41:06 AM

Wait, but Lightning Blue decided on the creation of The Lunixmonster Staff account and set it up himself. Part of presenting a unified admin front and what I said earlier. I don't think he needs to hide much, since he's paying a few thousand a year to keep this place running.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: A Boojum Snark on May 07, 2005, 12:55:31 PM

*sigh*

LB should just cancel his account for the web/game server and unregister #lm. Then we won't have to deal with this anymore, and LB saves some money.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Dubbilex on May 07, 2005, 02:08:17 PM

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*sigh*

LB should just cancel his account for the web/game server and unregister #lm. Then we won't have to deal with this anymore, and LB saves some money.

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His call.  And at this rate I wouldn't even be disappointed.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Plaguebearer on May 07, 2005, 02:14:05 PM

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I'm in IRC right now looking at the list of admins... and I dont see any that you can depend to see on the server at least once a day. Anyone can see that something needs to change here... its not necessarily because we dont like any particular admins, (though this isnt a false statement) its because we need some who can "do the admin duty"

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Interesting.  I'm pretty sure I play =every= day.  Hell, I even played yesterday before going to the hospital.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Mr.Bill on May 07, 2005, 02:52:17 PM

For the record...

PB IS a very active admin who does a good job, I say this cause he just mentioned himself, but I agree PB is pretty win :-D


and for everything else:

Honestly, if you havnt seen this coming from a MILE away, that something would happen to esuna (or even sonic) then you have to be blind. I don't hate esuna, he's not a bad person, but he's hard headed and so is vinnie, and Ive seen MANY a bans being placed because of which. If it wasnt PAINFULLY obvious this would result in something, You obviously arnt around when esuna and vinnie argue. (which is something hard to do, since that is most times).

<3 to all

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: esuna on May 07, 2005, 02:57:07 PM

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For the record...

PB IS a very active admin who does a good job, I say this cause he just mentioned himself, but I agree PB is pretty win :-D


and for everything else:

Honestly, if you havnt seen this coming from a MILE away, that something would happen to esuna (or even sonic) then you have to be blind. I don't hate esuna, he's not a bad person, but he's hard headed and so is vinnie, and Ive seen MANY a bans being placed because of which. If it wasnt PAINFULLY obvious this would result in something, You obviously arnt around when esuna and vinnie argue. (which is something hard to do, since that is most times).

<3 to all

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Thing is, who wins the arguments. Vinnie. Guess why, he'll argue, flame and swear at me as much as he likes, do i get banned for it? Yes. Does he? No.

****ing. Double. Standards.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Asal on May 07, 2005, 03:02:13 PM

I can't say I expected it.  

I can't say I'm particularly suprised by it.

I can say that I'm behind the admins on this.  Good call.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: aeroripper on May 07, 2005, 03:29:02 PM

I have no idea what's going on

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: 2_of_8 on May 07, 2005, 03:39:16 PM

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I have no idea what's going on

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Hmm... read the thread :)


I'm with Asal on this one; I didn't see it coming (not very clearly anyway), but when it did come, I wasn't surprised.
As for his 3rd statement... meh. Probably not.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: CryForMe on May 07, 2005, 03:47:41 PM

I thought long and hard about what to say on this one, so here goes.

..               With the big hoo-ha we just had on the soapbox about admins not doing their jobs, it seems that now people are whining about the opposite: theyre doing them TOO well. Well folks, we kinda need to make up our minds about what we want.  Personally, I could care less what the admin staff took into issue with esuna and sonic. Thats their business and I'm not an admin, so its none of mine. Im not gonna whine about it, nor am I gonna throw my support behind it. If they had their reasons, they had their reasons, let it go at that.

..              However, the issue I want to address is the "adult" portion of what goes on in the server. You know, seeing as the issue seemingly revolves around swearing and flaming, I think we oughtta get down to it. Ladies and gentlemen, i pose to you the question of reasonable maturity. How old is the average age of the regs and admins on the server? Sure we have some people in the 14-16 age range, but we also have people in the 30-40 age range to balance it out.  Lets reach a reasonable compromise here folks.  Being a high school teacher, I can tell you that I have to moderate language in the classroom.  But by the same token, I also have an understanding that there is no such thing as a 14 year old who has never heard people swearing and doesnt know what the words mean.  We have a swear filter on the server, plain as day. All people see are asterisks if someone swears in chat.  If they swear on the mic, well, we cant stop that, but why bring it to issue?  Is anyone really THAT offended when someone says the "s word" or the "f word"?  As esuna said, I have heard several people with reserved slots mic chatting it up using more derogatory words for lengthy periods of time and it goes untouched.  Not saying that we have to be iron-fisted about it, but lets think like rational human beings for a moment. We're not running a day care. It's an online gaming server that runs a game where tensions get heated, people get pissed off, and you know what, being that most of us are mature enough to handle it, people are gonna swear some.  Let it go.  If it gets out of hand, give the person a slap on the wrist. Dont put them out for ostracism at the hands of the entire community.
Thats just wrong.

..           As far as flaming goes, there are times when it's justified.  Example: a shotgun rush is coming to a hive. The gorge spits it and yells out that the rush is coming. 2 skulks come, while the other four busily chomp on an RT and ignore the fact that the hive is dying. Another example: Rines are trying to take a hive out, and one of the goobers stands there wasting precious shotgun ammo on a movement chamber instead of assisting the team. Now im not pushing for it to go into the realm of kicking a dead horse, but if someone slings out a pithy remark at such idiocy, who cares? Sure its easy to say that it breaks the rules and should be punished if you're watching it non-biased from spectator, but if you're on the team thats effected, it makes you MAD! Let people blow off some steam by occasionally ragging on people for being dumb.  As far as the regs go, we casually flame each other all the time and none of us cares, because we know that it's all in jest and the next round it wont matter.  If some nsplayer comes in and does it and gets miffed because he was being stupid and got an earful and leaves, does it really bother anyone? Along with good behavior and fair gameplay, we also like to keep a reasonable amount of things like skill and teamwork involved. People who dont stick to these as well have no more room in the community than people who would make asses of themselves on a regular basis.  But once again, if it gets out of hand, then is when it becomes an issue for resolution at the hands of the admin staff. But dont make it a big deal. Nobody likes to be put out.

..              Bottom line is folks, that due to the content that we deal with on a constant daily basis in and around the community, for the sake of argument, whether youre 14 or 35, we're all adults here. We're all old enough to know how to be reasonable and responsible about our actions. We're not children that need mommies and daddies washing our mouths out with soap, we're not fanatical clean-language freaks who gasp every time someone says a naughty word.  None of us is so sensitive that we're going to go cry in the corner over a petty insult.  Let's just wake up and bring this to a level where we dont feel like kids, but we can still act like adults.

..            Also, as a side note, (no offense intended) i'd like to see the admins stop sitting in spectator. This makes me angry very frequently.  The reason behind it is twofold. firstly, i see a lot of admins that come on and sit in spec on a full server.  Understandable that you're trying to get an overview of whats going on, but dont just sit there. If you were alerted to solve a problem on the server, either spec/solve/leave or spec/solve/join up.  Secondly, admins that sit in spec, generally do so for several maps or rounds, and do so at times where an extra player on a shorthanded team makes the difference between a decent game and a slaughter.  So for the sake of obeying the rules, dont spec on a full server and dont spec when theres a team in need of help. As i said, if a problem has to be solved, solve and move on to the next thing.  Like i said before, I dont intend offense toward anyone, but if a slotter or a reg was doing that and an admin saw it, they'd get angry.

..        In close, lets work on things like raising the maturity bar and seeing if people can handle it, accountability, double standards, and doing the right thing. Not just the admin staff, but all of us as a whole. We have the ability to not be retards, so let's exercise it.
/end rant.
*edited for ABS' reading pleasure.*

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: A Boojum Snark on May 07, 2005, 04:06:51 PM

CFM... please put some line breaks and paragraph spacing in there so I can read it. D:

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Mr.Bill on May 07, 2005, 04:07:21 PM

As usual, CFM provides and AWSOME read :-D

(read it, it's worth the WHOLE of 3 minuts)

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Dubbilex on May 07, 2005, 04:39:12 PM

Well put, CFM.  I like that.

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I can't say I expected it.

I can't say I'm particularly suprised by it.

I can say that I'm behind the admins on this. Good call.

We're already starved for good, quality slotters here.  And The Admin Team has just booted two of the best and oldest that we had.  I guess the ideal community around here would be one where half the admins play WORLD OF WARCRAFT and that same half would be both the most vocal and would reside in the most tenable positions of power.  I think that just ain't right but then, I don't have a @ next to my handle so what do I know, right nessy boy?

I expect I might get that PM sometime soon, and hell, if I do it's cool.  You admins choose the community that you want to surround yourselves with; not us.  And what All Of You have clearly said through your Collective actions today is that the community that you want is probably a lot different than the community that I remember.  Whatever.  If Vinnie goes after my slot next, I won't complain.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Plaguebearer on May 07, 2005, 05:17:05 PM

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.. Also, as a side note, (no offense intended) i'd like to see the admins stop sitting in spectator. This makes me angry very frequently. The reason behind it is twofold. firstly, i see a lot of admins that come on and sit in spec on a full server. Understandable that you're trying to get an overview of whats going on, but dont just sit there. If you were alerted to solve a problem on the server, either spec/solve/leave or spec/solve/join up. Secondly, admins that sit in spec, generally do so for several maps or rounds, and do so at times where an extra player on a shorthanded team makes the difference between a decent game and a slaughter. So for the sake of obeying the rules, dont spec on a full server and dont spec when theres a team in need of help.

QFT.  Sometimes, it seems, some admins treat LM as couch potato fare.  You know who you are.

OTOH, sometimes an admin or two DOES have to hop into spec for extended periods, especially for hard-to-call issues... sometimes even requiring multiple admins (any suspicion of hacking I would have, I would definitely call in backup to spec and review, for example...).

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Plaguebearer on May 07, 2005, 05:20:28 PM

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We're already starved for good, quality slotters here. And The Admin Team has just booted two of the best and oldest that we had.

I really like esuna.  I was even against him losing his slot.  But I'm not sure I'd count him [or Sonic] in with the 'best' slotters we have - he can be rather petty at times...

I can recall one example that pretty much sums it up for me wherein he basically just annoyed and annoyed someone til they left the server, announced 'My work here is done" and quit.

Then again, I'm not exactly the best admin or slotter myself, but that's another story.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: holy_devil on May 07, 2005, 06:00:26 PM

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okay, show us the convo. lets see the unanimous admin decision.

beacause im calling bs.

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i'm not going to be the one to screenshot the admin forum, but everything stated as far as the decisions go is true. we made a subforum and guidelines for it, reguarding structure etc. given a week to find reason(s) to not remove said persons slot and to argue removal in general. and as stated, the agreement was to remove your(sonic,esuna) slots. tbh, im disguisted that everyone is reacting this way. esunas posts only push further the reasoning for him losing it, honestly.

also i like how everyone is attacking vinnie for this. hence the reason for the admin team acc. no one admin did this, it was the collective decision, totally honest.

nice post CFM, says a lot. i can't be on the server 24/7 covering every single conversation and word said, and since i'm currently mostly mia playing wow, i don't even play atm. however, i can post in reference to the community so i try to. if someone is cursing or whatnot i yell at them. bad name is gone by choice or force. i usually get whined/cried to if i do actually do my job, and its actually taken quite a toll in how much i will mention the rules to people sometimes. god forbid i remind someone of the no swearing rule..

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Magmatron on May 07, 2005, 06:03:56 PM

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Thing is, who wins the arguments. Vinnie. Guess why, he'll argue, flame and swear at me as much as he likes, do i get banned for it? Yes. Does he? No.

****ing. Double. Standards.

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Pardon?

<esuna> Vinnie-NS: i need to know, you actually are 14, right?
<Vinnie-NS> nope, not your age, sorry
<Magmatron> !tb esuna 1m Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?
* ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@host81-132-243-193.range81-132.btcentralplus.com
* esuna was kicked by ChanServ ((Magmatron) Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?)

<Magmatron> Stop responding to that nonsense already
<Lightning_Blue> !suspend Vinnie-NS
<Lightning_Blue> !tb Vinnie-NS 2m
* ChanServ sets mode: -o+b Vinnie-NS *!*@Vinegar_Ninja.user.gamesurge
* Vinnie-NS was kicked by ChanServ ((Lightning_Blue) Bye.)

The only reason it wasn't longer was because you provoked him first.

Meanwhile, in the admin channel....

Edit: Instead of posting things directly from the channel, it'll suffice to say that Vinnie was spoken to. Whoops.

Both you and Vinnie were wrong. Double standards, indeed. Honestly, I'm tired of people just assuming that nothing gets done because they don't see it.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: esuna on May 07, 2005, 06:10:40 PM

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Thing is, who wins the arguments. Vinnie. Guess why, he'll argue, flame and swear at me as much as he likes, do i get banned for it? Yes. Does he? No.

****ing. Double. Standards.

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Pardon?

<esuna> Vinnie-NS: i need to know, you actually are 14, right?
<Vinnie-NS> nope, not your age, sorry
<Magmatron> !tb esuna 1m Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?
* ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@host81-132-243-193.range81-132.btcentralplus.com
* esuna was kicked by ChanServ ((Magmatron) Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?)

<Magmatron> Stop responding to that nonsense already
<Lightning_Blue> !suspend Vinnie-NS
<Lightning_Blue> !tb Vinnie-NS 2m
* ChanServ sets mode: -o+b Vinnie-NS *!*@Vinegar_Ninja.user.gamesurge
* Vinnie-NS was kicked by ChanServ ((Lightning_Blue) Bye.)

The only reason it wasn't longer was because you provoked him first.

Meanwhile, in the admin channel....

Hehe, shouldn't be here. Whoops.

Both you and Vinnie were wrong. Double standards, indeed. Honestly, I'm tired of people just assuming that nothing gets done because they don't see it.

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Can you blame me for complaining if action is being taken but none of us are any the wiser?

You have to admit that when you're only given one side of the story, there's no option but to base your argument on what facts are actually available to you.

Scooter, go suck a ****. :D

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Legionnaired on May 07, 2005, 06:35:41 PM

This is hardly the unanimous action that we were told it was.

Which one is it, guys?

You say that if we knew all of his offenses, we'd agree with you. I trust you on that, but show us. It's the only well to quell this kind of criticism.

On a related issue: On the whole, you guys are doing a bang-up job. However, it seems that in the minority of cases where a popular reserved slotter is being banned nobody in the community seems to think it was warrented; it also seems like the admins all have a very good idea about what happened.

Take Saltzbad as an example. Now, Saltz was an asshole (I joined [RR] for all of two weeks before I couldn't take his obnoxious HAL-9000 voice over vox anymore) but there was still a widespread (though hardly universal) outpouring of support.

We all know that Saltz, in addition to being an asshole, also broke a lot of server rules, and should have been banned. However, the community wasn't presented with a list of his transgressions, and as such, bad blood ensued.

In my opinion, (and I say this in full knowledge it's private webspace) the collective group of admins, upon banning a reserved slotter, need to post the deliberations that resulted in that action in a public location. Even if it's just the slotter forum, the fact of the matter is that you guys complain that we're making your job harder because we don't know the workings of a system we aren't a part of.

Lets face it boys (and girls), lunixmonster is no longer a small group of buddies held together by a generous server donation. Instead, it's a group of friends, held together by those same friendships. We're here because we love this community, and  we realize it's the best of what's around.

I think that's awesome, but I also think that we need to be better. A few months ago (before WoW captivated my soul. Again.) when LB was having public doubts about the continued existance of this community, I drafted the attached up as a way to keep things going if he, or anyone else important decided they just didn't want to do it anymore.

The attached is a reflection of my ideal community, one I'd gladly pay 2 WoW accounts-worth of money for to be a part of. I can only hope that we can all agree on that, and create some positive change.

~Alex "Legionnaired" Bartlow

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Magmatron on May 07, 2005, 06:46:10 PM

It's pretty important to realise that before it even gets to anything resembling that point, there are weeks or months of spontaneous discussions or complaints in the admin channel about whoever. Debates are held on a whim and left for later. Mentionings in posts, actions in-game, quick PMs from community regulars, the countless little things that eventually build up into a problem. It's very difficult to present one comprehensive anything for anyone we ban who's been toeing the line. It's hard or impossible to present proof for the 1,000 non-bannable things that change an admin's opinion of someone that can make an offense the last, or to even list them.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: duherman on May 07, 2005, 06:47:45 PM

Sigh, I didn't really bother reading everything but what's wrong with Esuna?

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Dubbilex on May 07, 2005, 06:50:37 PM

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Sigh, I didn't really bother reading everything but what's wrong with Esuna?

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Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: SlickWill on May 07, 2005, 07:04:14 PM

My two cents:  sometimes it seems like admins us LM as their personal ego boosting grounds.  Overall, most are good, but a couple break the rules just as much as anyone else.  This is my favorite community, but I have found that it has changed dramatically just since I have been here.  Maybe we need a bing internal cleaning as there seems to be a new wave which is active in LM, while the old wave is largely gone.  I'm rambling, but there are some points to this.  Peace all.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: SwiftSpear on May 07, 2005, 07:37:59 PM

I'm really torn between just crying good riddance and backing the rest of you here.  To say that sonic was a ****ing asshole to me is an understatement, and if other people were dealing with the same thing I was, I really have no ground whatsoever to say that these slot removals were not well deserved, and that in normal circumstances bans would have been applied long ago had I been anal enough to log and report certian convos.

I have no grounding or opinion on esuna whatsoever, can't say I know him that well even.  But I assume that he was involved in pretty much the same stuff sonic was.

Legion, TBH I think the whole server constitution thing is a little anal, expecially since alot of the changes it would make really don't work with LM's current system of running.

I think there are two main issues that need to be adressed here however.

1. What is the role of slotters and admins?  Some seem to belive that a res slot comes packeged with many responsibilites, others seem to dissagree.  The image of an LM res slotter needs more definition, because it has become VERY clear to me through the last two threads in the nomination forum that alot of us really have no frigging clue what a slotter should look like, or what we should be willing to accept in terms of slotters.  Does a slotter who fails to upkeep the undocumented slotter responsibility code really deserve to have thier slot removed?

2. Is it really healthy to continue keeping evidence related to admin decisions priviate?  To be honest, I can't help but think that you guys might be trying to get away with some arbitrary personal dept paying when you make a move like this and just say "trust us", I don't nessicarly belive that that is the case, but the thought does come to mind.  LM doesn't HAVE a solid constitution like legion wrote up, and hence you WILL have people questioning the nature of every admin action that is made; because there is no written down way for how things should work, every decision is to some degree based on arbitrary standards.  God knows we unban people who go through the PR forum often enough; you aren't creating an image of infalability for yourselfs; maby when you acctually are right, you should be defending your opinions rather then trying to throw your weight around?  Granted opening evidence to the public is going to create controversy and unwanted discussion from time to time, but in the end is it really better then the massive distrust that is currently being created?

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: SuicidaL MonkeY on May 07, 2005, 08:08:01 PM

This had me thinking alot on numerous subjects, in which i found seem to all connect together, and this is just my own feelings.  

We are all Humans, we all have our own Personality's, we all have a Life outside a computer.  In life we grow up to learn to have respect for other people, even if its hidden away. "Thank you", "Can i get that for you?", "how are you?", are all examples of phrases we use to show our respect to another person.

On the computer, people tend to loose that respect normally because you arent interacting with the other person other than typing or playing games. They see it as an oppurtunity to demean others in ways.  They either are the same person outside the computer or may not even attempt such in a face to face enviroment. Not on the Lunixmonster though.

This is a face to face enviroment, and your reactions to the admins on this decision have made me sick to my stomach. The admins are not robots, they dont calculate in binary for every word or every thought that comes from their keyboard or microphone, they are the same as me and you.

We all get angry at different things, we all have tolerance for different things, we all love different things, its who we are. Just because someone is labled with "admin", and given the jobs as such one does, doesnt make them invulnerable to other people's actions.  They make their decisions based on the Server Rules for the community's benifit. That doesnt mean their right to be themselves is taken away.

We all are a family here, we have these reserved slot because we love this community, and respect the ideals of those rules, we respect the admins for making sure we have a great time playing a game we all love, above all, we respect eachother.  But if an admin posts about someone loosing a reserved slot, and everyone who know the players are, either friends, or like their style of playing, what ever your reason is,  it is no ones fault but the one's who lost their slots. Especially not the admins.

This reminds me of when Seth was banned.  He was the same along the lines of Esuna and Sonic, spoke his mind without hesitation most of the time, great player, befriended alot of people, but many time swore "towards a person", not just swearing, recyling base when he deemed the game over. Then, if i remember correctly, he CC blocked at the end of a game with about 5 CC's before jumping out, after which he came back and defended his decision to break the rules. I am not defending or accusing him or the decision, but merely stating a point.


We have such great games, good friendships, and such fun on here because of many things.  Such as, the rules in place, the admins watching over everyone, joking around without making discriminating comments about each other, grouping up and owning on other games, hehe. Everyone has a great experince playing here because of the discussion we have other than in game, such as here in the forums or IRC.

I am not here to have someone make fun of me based on a kill by the other player, or a decision made in the field or as commander. I do not play on this server to have someones anger towards whatever reason be subjected to people trying to have a good time.

Swearing AT someone, ( ******* MONKEY *** **** YOU ****), and Swearing, (****), after a kill or a structure taken down are 2 very different things.

I hope you earn back your res slots Esuna and Sonic, we all want to be owned by you again, but not if its going to be the same attitude towards others who dont "do" what you want them to.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: george on May 07, 2005, 10:33:29 PM

*READ all this before you follow instructions*
GET UP
WALK OUTSIDE
OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND SCREAM
Let out all your frustrations.
yay now we feel better yes?
Rules are in place, follow them or take the risk of being punished(this is clearly apparent).
<3 Esuna! :( im saddened that you lost your slot and i can only hope to play ns with you in the future. OMG ESUNA DOWN! :D. I shall truly miss playing with you if you dont come back.
<3 sonic! i shall miss you too.

If you all like the community/server so much why is it that its so hard to get you do something an admin asks you to do? They shouldnt have to ask you more than once, then  you should follow it for the sake of being a good person/community member. Surely if you agree to it once it would only seem sensible that you would agree to it all the time.
I've been kicked 3 times from the server and kicked/banned from Irc 2 times, regardless if i agreed to the punishment or not i conceded to it and without using any harsh language at any admins. Nor have i committed the same actions i was punished for again.

im not ranting at all, i just hate to lose any of you for something stupid. Please dont get banned <3!!!

--George

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: aeroripper on May 07, 2005, 10:46:38 PM

I don't think there's anything wrong with occasional swearing due to frustration (we are all adults after all, and even the IRC channel is PG-13)

And as long as the admins arn't going on a power trip and kicking\banning people without a warning i think the server is fine.  

As for the whole "armory" spawning when their finishing off the CC just for fun i don't really see as a problem i think its actually kind of funny to watch the pathetic last attempt :-P.  

I've gotten to know a lot of the regulars that play in the past 1-2 months i've played on this server and its a LOT funner than normal ns servers just because everybody knows eachother, knows the game, and is relatively willing to work together.

Can't think of anything more...bye

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: BOZO on May 08, 2005, 12:03:48 AM

Wow! Heeheeeheeeeheeehohohohoh!

I really never thought it would come to this. You just stripped two of the oldest and most active res sloters...because????....Yeh..I'm still waiting for a real answer *yawn*...frankly I could care less if they lost a slot or not...who the **** cares TBH...it's the ****ing dumbass reason is what gets me. "OMG tehy are teh using teh naughty words!  :o  and acting like llamas!  :o " Woop de ****. Esuna and Sonic earned their slots...Way before any of you mother****ing so called "admins" even heard of NS. Tell me guys...did your e-feelings ™ get hurt? awww! poor baby. Now might be a good time to stop suckling your mothers tit and grow the **** up...Esuna and Sonic made LM fun..You cant ****ing deny that...They broke up the monoutanity of the admin ass-kissing ressloters and HD's ****ing ownage sessions..or whatever the **** we call them now adays.  LM has turned into a mother****en nazi prison camp...games are no longer fun, Either the admin ass kissing starts (dont get me started on that) or Sombody with acctul skill in NS comes on and owns you guys..and then you wine about it on the forums ( again dont get me started). LM used to be about fun, Nano was fun, Old LM was fun...Sorry LB but your admin decisions have gone to the ****ter. Either we have admins that sit on their ass, ones that only care when they get their e-penis caught in a zipper (omg he made fun of me on teh server :(), or the ones that just ****ing ban cuz "THATS THE RULES!".

**** this ****. I say LB just !delusers on everybody and start over...either that or just ****ing leave...LM's no fun anymore...and you guys pretty much just killed some of the high moments of the server. LM'ers used to play TFC, Sven, S&I, and all that **** together...cuz It was fun to play with you guys...What the **** happend?! The answer is...dun dun dun! Your ****ing bored. You have nothing better to do then to just ****ing use your e-power to make sombodes e-playtime more ****ty then it alreayd is. Grow up...all of you...Your all old enought not to get offended by words...I'm sure you ****ers hear them all the time at school and work...deal with it..Dont come back with "I hear it all the time so I dont want to hear it on my fav server" tripe..Welcome to the real ****ing world jackass' The real irony is that you "admins" have no real power at all...Omg you can kick and ban me from and IP adress. I remember when you acctuly had to ****ing work to become a ****ing admin on LM...and it was a respected position...now...It's just bull****....Half the ****ing user list is admins...and 2/3 of them dont do jack ****. It's a bull**** title now...it carries no weight...Lets go back in time when LM was fun to play on...with admins like Jane, TyrNemmiss, DXO (he was kinda ass though...but fun non the less),     and all the old Nano admins (or at least the good ones), and myself. But too late now...Wish some of you new guys could have seen w                  hat  LM used to be like....Guess you never will.  Bottom  line...Bad call  on the slot loss...just  one more bad  mistake brought to you by somes ones e-ego getting brused. GFG.

Vote Esuna and Sonic for admins tbh...they deserve it .

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: That Annoying Kid on May 08, 2005, 12:46:00 AM

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esuna has been around for a while, sonic is relatively new

sonic I hope you can step it up enough to regain your slot  XD

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Asal on May 08, 2005, 12:48:21 AM

Wow Bozo, you managed to insult everyone but yourself, Sonic, and Esuna.  I'm impressed.

I disagree, I would not trust Esuna and Sonic as admins.  I don't trust myself as admin. I don't mind playing with them...some days.  But it seems that 75% of the time they complain, and to me, that doesn't seem fun.  I don't play on LM to be ridiculed, sworn at, and overall be a target for the pent-up frustrations of a person I've never met.  I play on LM to have fun, and even if I'm losing, that's fine (So long as nobody TDs me on purpose.)  I'm here for the people.  And Perhaps you disagree because you haven't been around much.  I can certainly say I haven't seen you much.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: SwiftSpear on May 08, 2005, 02:04:32 AM

Last game I can remember with esuna or sonic basicly consisted of esuna orchistrating mass pit jumps all round long until the aliens figured out what was happening and finished us off.  Next round was a compleate repeat.  I left in frustration because I joined up to play the damn game, not muddle with HL movement code and trigger_hurt's.

Would I remove someone's slot because of it?  Hell no.  But what I'm basicly saying is that you can get off your high horse bozo, because it isn't like these two guys are the last remaining vestage of "fun" on this server.  New slotters can be fun too.

I can't comment on any difference in the admining system, since I really have no clue whatsoever.  But to me it just sounds like you have a hardcore case of "back in the day" syndrome, the grass isn't nessicarly THAT much greener.

I do think the point is important though?  When did it happen that only dull PG-13 personalities were good candidates for LM slottership?  Characters like Uranium, Esuna, and Agent Orange were part of what made this server the place to be back in the day.  We all used to love our scathing hardasses, what the hell happened?  I don't have issues with respect rules or swearfilters like some of us do, but whoever is responsible for taking it past that and keeping grudge lists of offences so these guys can be banned needs to be dragged out into the street and shot.  The admin team needs to stop trying to sap all the character out of this comunity.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: CryForMe on May 08, 2005, 02:13:02 AM

In a retrospective light of my post, I find bozo's excessive profanity amusing.
I also have to agree with asal in that I've never seen you around.  For someone who speaks of the "glory days" on LM, you sure dont seem to be much of a contributor to the contemporary.  Either way, saying that esuna and sonic deserve admin is irrelevant.  Saying that the server sucks is irrelevant.  Your conclusions are also very skewed. As far as the way you percieve games going on, I dont know which server you've been watching, but the last few thousand games ive seen on LM, there werent any admins getting brownnosed, nobody went and whined on the forums about ownage and your complaining about it not being the way you want it to be inst helping anyone. You've handled this in the least mature fashion so far, even concerning those people who were actually effected by having their slots removed.  I've played a lot with esuna and a little with sonic, both decent, and like everyone else have their moments of hostility; but you, sir, have made an ass of yourself.
So instead of all of us repeating the same things over and over (i.e. "we can all handle a little swearing" and "heres what needs to change") lets just drop it and move on.  If theres a further issue to contend with, do so. Otherwise, shut this thread down. I find it wrong on several levels that we have this in the general forum. It's not right that this was put here in the first place as it makes it a general stone-throw at people in a public forum on what is one of the more prominent public servers in the game. It needs to be deleted or moved to a private forum.  Good leadership is parted in discipline, wherein if someone needs a slap on the wrist or a good flogging, you do it in private and let that be the end of it. Theres no sense in needlessly publicly embarassing these two people much less anyone else who happens to say something stupid on the subject (of which i can name a few in this thread).

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Leaderz0rz on May 08, 2005, 03:02:59 AM

esuna and sonic are assholes and shout profanity, i don't think anyone can deny this. But they are also good guys aswell and are fun to play with and talk to. Vinne is also an asshole, holy devil is an asshole, i'm an asshole etc etc. Obviously we accept assholes. I think we can all agree there are times where esuna gets worked up, and vinne as well. Admins breaking rules is somthing you need to tell LB not another admin. Instead of bringing it up "blah blah" breaks the rules too! you should contact LB with proof. Every admin is replacable, every slotter is replacable. If you want to keep your admin rights or your slot then follow the rules. Its ok to make mistakes and break the rules somtimes. It happens we are all humans.

Esuna, if vinne is starting crap with you then you need to contact LB. If you retaliate then he will have a REASON to ban you. I'm not saying either of you start crap with the other but there is obviously bad blood between the two of you. LM is a pretty large server, and therefore the admins need to act the same to everyone. We know sonic/esuna shout profanity alot but that doesn't make them immune to punishment. And having to tell someone to stop doing somthing over and over and over obviously means they arn't learning. I haven't played NS in forever but I know when I did if someone broke a rule they were warned, if it continued they were kicked, and then banned. I have seen a few admins ban when they should have warned, and I have seen a few admins warn when they should have banned. Every admin is different so therefore different action is taken.

And stuff in the admin forum does not have to be made public. Its for them to know and only them. When you get arrested you don't see your criminal record. They are admins becuase the take responsiblity for keeping the server ran smoothly. They do extra things that arn't fun for the sake of keeping the community a good place. When you recieve a RS your not only getting a slot, you also get the responsibility to follow the rules and show everyone else how the server should be. If someone breaks a rule then you should inform them they are doing so.

Admin signal? people misuse it? well don't have the highlight...Before there was the admin signal i just asked if any admin was around and usally got a reply quickly. If there wasn't i would return to the game and try to instruct the offender on our rules. Worse come to worse I would PM a few admins and almost always got a response that way.

I think its silly to be fighting between members and admins. We all should follow the rules.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Dubbilex on May 08, 2005, 06:16:21 AM

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sonic I hope you can step it up enough to regain your slot  XD

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Sonic's been here since 2003 :(

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I also have to agree with asal in that I've never seen you around. For someone who speaks of the "glory days" on LM, you sure dont seem to be much of a contributor to the contemporary.

Bozo knows what it's about - you can trust me on that.  He's been on the forums snce the day they were put up and has been in the community, itself, for longer than I have.  Hell, while he might have overdone it on the whole profanity bit, somebody had to say it.  

Still, this is what I mean by that change.  Bozo used to like the people here.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Goldy on May 08, 2005, 07:15:55 AM

I haven't been playing here long, but I play just about every day and I have yet to see anything wrong with the admins. Anyway I had to add that I really dislike this attitude:

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As far as flaming goes, there are times when it's justified. Example: a shotgun rush is coming to a hive. The gorge spits it and yells out that the rush is coming. 2 skulks come, while the other four busily chomp on an RT and ignore the fact that the hive is dying. Another example: Rines are trying to take a hive out, and one of the goobers stands there wasting precious shotgun ammo on a movement chamber instead of assisting the team. Now im not pushing for it to go into the realm of kicking a dead horse, but if someone slings out a pithy remark at such idiocy, who cares? Sure its easy to say that it breaks the rules and should be punished if you're watching it non-biased from spectator, but if you're on the team thats effected, it makes you MAD! Let people blow off some steam by occasionally ragging on people for being dumb. As far as the regs go, we casually flame each other all the time and none of us cares, because we know that it's all in jest and the next round it wont matter.  If some nsplayer comes in and does it and gets miffed because he was being stupid and got an earful and leaves, does it really bother anyone?

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It bothers me a lot. New players should be helped, not yelled at or made fun of. It's one thing to jokingly flame someone you know, or to flame someone who is good yet is not really trying, but flaming someone for their lack of skill is pathetic. Yeah we all lose our patience with that.. and we should all be punished accordingly.

The language and niceness rules are a huge plus for LM.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: bacon_flaps on May 08, 2005, 11:16:43 AM

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The Lunixmonster Staff account represents all of the admins, and that is it. It represents our decisions as a whole and this time it was unanimous. If it was a majority that thought we shoud do this, it would still happen since most of us wanted it.

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I really like esuna.  I was even against him losing his slot.

I dunno if this was already brought up, but as soon as I saw it, I had to make my point.
PB's comment singlehandedly makes the "unanimous" bull**** null and void.  Stop lying, that's all.  Secondly, please inform me of ANYTHING inappropriate that esuna has EVER done besides use foul language.  Same for Sonic.  Yes, I realize that *gasp* sometimes the foul language was combined with PERSONAL INSULTS over the internet, but I think that's hardly a reason to strip a reserved slot.  They both have quite sparkling behavior records when actually playing the game.

****, stop being so thin-skinned.
WORDS.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Malevolent on May 08, 2005, 11:32:22 AM

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The Lunixmonster Staff account represents all of the admins, and that is it. It represents our decisions as a whole and this time it was unanimous. If it was a majority that thought we shoud do this, it would still happen since most of us wanted it.

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I really like esuna.  I was even against him losing his slot.

I dunno if this was already brought up, but as soon as I saw it, I had to make my point.
PB's comment singlehandedly makes the "unanimous" bull**** null and void.  Stop lying, that's all.  Secondly, please inform me of ANYTHING inappropriate that esuna has EVER done besides use foul language.  Same for Sonic.  Yes, I realize that *gasp* sometimes the foul language was combined with PERSONAL INSULTS over the internet, but I think that's hardly a reason to strip a reserved slot.  They both have quite sparkling behavior records when actually playing the game.

****, stop being so thin-skinned.
WORDS.

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I can assure you it's not bull**** because in the actual threads we had for the RS removals of Sonic and Esuna, not one person objected. It must have not seemed to important to him or her if their slots were taken away.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: LowCrawler on May 08, 2005, 11:40:02 AM

I'd like to request that we move this thread to soapbox

Esuna and Sonic can be allowed access to the RS forums, yet still not have RS on the server... since the objective of the punishment the admins are trying to give (correct me if im wrong) is not to remove them from the community... right?


as far as making us look bad... outsiders seeing this does alot worse than anyone swearing

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: 2_of_8 on May 08, 2005, 11:41:16 AM

Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Malevolent on May 08, 2005, 11:46:24 AM

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Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.

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Ok. Read my post that is almost directly above you. I really have nothing more to say because this is just wasting my time now.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Mr.Bill on May 08, 2005, 01:54:30 PM

OH GOD! THE EMO!!! I CANT BREATH!! ITS EVERYWHERE!!

Honestly guys, you lot REALLY don't actually think that if you keep posting in this thread, that esuna and sonic will get unbanned? hell no... your all waisting your time, making the gap between RS and ADMIN even BIGGER then ever before! Esuna and vinnie fought to the death CONSTENTLY it was only a matter of time before everyone decided to get rid of esuna.

and as for bozo... Wow.. totaly awsome :-D Not that Im agreeing, since I not that old around these parts, but just wow. gave me a good chuckle

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: holy_devil on May 08, 2005, 02:12:48 PM

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Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.

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sorry if it seems like we're all contradictive, but pb never posted in the mentioned thread about sonic or esuna, so we were lead to believe no one had any objections at all. he now voices it, here, which is weird yea. but as far as the thread, in which the decision was made, there were no objections stated, only approvals.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Plaguebearer on May 08, 2005, 02:18:44 PM

I voiced it in IRC, actually, back when the talk of zapping slots came up.  Somehow I seem to have missed the thread about it. :/

Anyhow~~ one sub-admin's opinion against everyone else's wouldnt have changed things, methinks.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: SwiftSpear on May 08, 2005, 03:22:20 PM

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OH GOD! THE EMO!!! I CANT BREATH!! ITS EVERYWHERE!!

Honestly guys, you lot REALLY don't actually think that if you keep posting in this thread, that esuna and sonic will get unbanned? hell no... your all waisting your time, making the gap between RS and ADMIN even BIGGER then ever before! Esuna and vinnie fought to the death CONSTENTLY it was only a matter of time before everyone decided to get rid of esuna.

and as for bozo... Wow.. totaly awsome :-D Not that Im agreeing, since I not that old around these parts, but just wow. gave me a good chuckle

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We could have gotten rid of vinnie instead  :rolleyes:

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Dubbilex on May 08, 2005, 03:38:38 PM

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Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.

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Ok. Read my post that is almost directly above you. I really have nothing more to say because this is just wasting my time now.

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Did you reckon that some admins might have not read the thread or, indeed, posted in it?  Or does that just blow your mind?

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Plaguebearer on May 08, 2005, 04:45:32 PM

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Did you reckon that some admins might have not read the thread or, indeed, posted in it? Or does that just blow your mind?

Well, in what passes for my defense, I generally just use the View New Posts button, which for some reason doesn't always give me all the new posts.  So I miss some stuff.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Leaderz0rz on May 08, 2005, 05:49:06 PM

if your going to argue then leave PB out of it. If an admin did not post then therefore their opinion did not count in said matter. Just like if someone orders a pizza with pepperaroni and everyone agreed but you, then when it gets there you bitch becuase you didn't say anything. If they want their slots back then they can do what they did to get them in the first place. I'm not taking sides becuase i really don't care who has a slot or not, but this is getting silly. Rules are rules for RS and Admins. If you think admins are breaking rules then show proof to LB, if an RS is breaking rules then its the admins jobs to correct it by any means they see fit.  Alot of you bitch and complain how bad the admins are etc but yet when they ban 5 people who are grievers and spawn camp etc that ruin your playing time you praise them, but when they have to do it against someone you know you jump down their throat. My advice to all of you, if you hate the admins so much then don't play on the server. Admins, if you don't want to do your job or think your an admin just so you can slap someone with your e-wang then you need to resign and let someone who will auctaly do a good job replace you. Honestly I don't think there needs to be anymore said on this subject. The fact is Esuna/Sonic lost their slots. If they want them back they need to work for them back.Whether your agree they should of lost them or not. The fact still remains they did and nothing is going to change that.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Diablus on May 08, 2005, 05:53:46 PM

As BOZO says.... OMG MY E-FEELINGZ R T3H HURTED!!!!!!


*getting in post before LB views this and pretty much nukes it to all hell  ;) *

But to make it constructive and not spam:

 "Why can't we all just.... get along?"

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Malevolent on May 08, 2005, 07:01:27 PM

I said I wouldn't say any more, but you don't seem to get what I said twice. The point is that no one said anything against it to us, so it would be logical for anyone to think that it is ok with everyone. And Dubb, you just proved what I said again. If they didn't read it they didnt read it (although it was up for some time), and if they didn't bother posting (like you said Dubb), it would probably equate to them not thinking it warranted their say.

I am definitely not talking only about you PB. It goes for anyone who didn't say anything. If someone doesn't say anything either way, a person assumes that that person is ok with it.

There really is no point in going on about this. It is all over and everything stands as where it was before after it happened.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Mr.Ben on May 08, 2005, 07:40:55 PM

I'd like to take this moment to say that I hate you all have done since you started banning all the players that made me come here in the first place.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Leaderz0rz on May 08, 2005, 08:00:08 PM

they must not be really good friends becuase your still here.. its comments like these that blow my mind. its like stabing yourself and crying in pain but yet you keep stabbing yourself...

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Doobie Dan on May 08, 2005, 10:20:32 PM

I'm not arguing against their offences, this whole thing may be justified.  Lord knows esuna has pissed me off before.  

But every time you ban or unslot a player who has friends in the community, it damages the community as a whole.  Long-standing, respected characters.  It drives a wedge between the admins and everybody else.

Then again, I guess the other extreme would be to not do anything and respect for the rules decreases.  I suppose it goes to show that like it or not, actions like this have serious consequences within the community.  This kind of thing might be inevitable.

I'll miss them.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: CryForMe on May 08, 2005, 11:03:38 PM

someone please lock this up. it's turned into a bashfest and its something we dont need. get it gone and good riddance.

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: aeroripper on May 08, 2005, 11:19:21 PM

It was a monster mash, it was a graveyard smash!

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: BOZO on May 08, 2005, 11:24:14 PM

Flamesgopoof!~

Title: Recent Reserved Slot removals
Post by: Lightning Blue on May 09, 2005, 01:14:13 AM

Locking thread, taking names, and kicking ass.