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Title: Worst Map Ever...
Post by: Owen on October 09, 2004, 11:13:57 AM: TBH, i hate mineshat... it really annoys me to hell, because everytime i play, it's a 3 hour stalemate until the marine commander goes crazy from boredom and recycles everything, jumps out the chair and suicides, then let's the team die.

BUT, do you have a pet hated map? if you do, then which one is it?
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Post by: sonic on October 09, 2004, 11:22:38 AM: Lost...I hate everything about that map. Just too godam dark and its ugly as sin.
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Post by: lolfighter on October 09, 2004, 11:26:03 AM: co_de_dust. Never played it, but the very thought makes me cringe.
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Post by: Magmatron on October 09, 2004, 11:30:29 AM: Can't stand ns_origin.
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Post by: GrayDuck on October 09, 2004, 12:28:52 PM: Quote
Can't stand ns_origin.

Bite your virtual tongue!

I would say besides the obvious new NS map (the name evades me atm), I would say I am tied with Hera and Bast *gags*
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Post by: lolfighter on October 09, 2004, 12:36:43 PM: How can you hate hera despite landing pad and clorf?
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Post by: Dark on October 09, 2004, 12:53:37 PM: personally i hate ns_altair (the new map) cause it has the hives close to ms and the gameplay for the map is terrible.

i also dislike the new bast for more or less the same reasons
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Post by: Slink on October 09, 2004, 01:48:54 PM: ns_eclipse. just, gah. most god damned featurless map ever. drives me crazy. sure it's balanced, or whatever. not like i can tell anyway. veil also gets to me. it's so bright and orangey-red in there it makes me feel like i'm bathing in day-glo carrot juice. grrr...
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Post by: fatty on October 09, 2004, 04:15:12 PM: whole maps:
altair
hera (too many damn resource nodes, otherwise good)
any version of bast

spots that are so bad they need to be mentioned:
u turn on mineshaft
tram hive on mineshaft
powersilo hive on nothing
waste handling hive on tanith
maintenence hive on eclipse
biodome hive on origin

how can you guys hate all of lost and all of origin?????!?!?111
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Post by: Satiagraha on October 09, 2004, 04:21:20 PM: ns_metal
ns_altair
ns_agora
ns_nancy

co_sava
co_core
co_ass3

Grrr I hate those maps :angry:
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Post by: A Boojum Snark on October 09, 2004, 04:35:35 PM: /me jumps in to say the thing he has never seen anyone else agree with.

I hate with every part of me eclipse and veil <_<

Too bright. Too long hallwayish. There are no "safe" nodes, while some make like this and think it adds to the tention I as a gorge hate it, I never really want to spend MY res on a node that is unsafe, and when it dies I then feel like a waste and dont have anything else to do since I have no res.
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Post by: Mr.Ben on October 09, 2004, 05:55:47 PM: We're currently testing my latest creation for b6.

(http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/mr.ben/images/co_dust0000.jpg)
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Post by: Slink on October 09, 2004, 06:44:10 PM: DDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Squats on October 09, 2004, 07:15:22 PM: I don't have a most hated map from the standard list. I even kinda like Altair, it's got some really cool "hidden" passages, and I think it's worst balance issues will clear up some as people learn it. Those waterway passages between the hives could be really usefull to aliens, if people really knew them...

The only maps I hate have names like co_de_dust and co_marioworld and ns_marksiege and such.... Fortunately we don't see that crap here much if at all....

My favorite custom so far is co_freefall.... It's cool because it's so different but still true to the NS feel....

I can't think of a custom ns map I like....

Squats
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Post by: Isamil on October 09, 2004, 07:32:58 PM: ns_alatir
ns_mineshaft
ns_agora

Those HAVE TO GO.
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Post by: Mr.Bill on October 09, 2004, 08:54:17 PM: w00t no ne said co_ass3!! pont! :-D
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Post by: Dark on October 09, 2004, 11:25:50 PM: Quote
ns_metal
ns_altair
ns_agora
ns_nancy

co_sava
co_core
co_ass3

Grrr I hate those maps :angry:
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w00t no ne said co_ass3!! pont! :-D
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looks like someone mentioned co_ass3 :p
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Post by: Sancho on October 10, 2004, 12:50:13 AM: ns_nancy
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Post by: confused! on October 10, 2004, 01:54:59 AM: ns_ninjafall
ns_spacefall_b9

ns_richmond_a9d <-why? why? why!!
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Post by: Grimm on October 10, 2004, 11:16:22 AM: ns_ayumi
ns_nancy
ns_agora
ns_metal

I just won't play on these maps. At all. I'll maybe dance around in the ready room, but I've grown tired of these maps, and people like maps for the wrong reasons: "OGM rave room!!!111 OGM Catbus!!!1!11". Secret rooms don't make a map, the playability of the map does. I don't like ns_agora or ns_metal because they're large and clunky to manuever around in; Any map with a giant, 100 foot elevator and/or a single ladder leading into an important hive entrance can't be good.
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Post by: TOmekki on October 10, 2004, 12:01:14 PM: i dont get these people who hate metal/lost/eclipse/veil. all 4 are very good maps. on the contrary, bast hera ayumi and mineshaft would have to be my personal "worst" maps. i like agora's sheer massiveness, its very easy to move around unlike hera that has a stupid amount of chokepoints and twists. also altair is kinda weird, maybe just cause i havent learned it yet, only played twice.
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Post by: Vinegar Ninja on October 10, 2004, 05:11:35 PM: caged
worst design evar.
ill play any map, except caged.
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Post by: Satiagraha on October 10, 2004, 05:32:01 PM: I never liked agora because of it's layout. I just don't like it. And I freaking hate that stupid bit of water next to the sewer hive! GRRR!!! :angry:
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Post by: Grimm on October 10, 2004, 06:13:35 PM: Manuevering around on ns_metal and ns_agora is clunky and quite a chore, which really makes it more annoying to play on either.
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Post by: Satiagraha on October 10, 2004, 06:46:34 PM: Aye, movement in agora is a bitch

Eclipse on the other hand... <3 <3 <3
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Post by: lolfighter on October 11, 2004, 02:58:04 AM: I always loved caged. Marines tried to relocate to double node, you made a token effort of getting them out of there, making them believe that this was a GOOD position. Then you horribly, horribly raped them ten minutes later. Oh such horrible rape.
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Post by: Malevolent on October 11, 2004, 04:21:29 AM: I hate ns_altair with a passion. There is a pattern: all the new official maps are starting to suck. :blink:
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 11, 2004, 09:57:05 AM: Ns_Altair is getting better though. KFDM is doing a lot of work on it and we'll likely have a MUCH better version for b6. :D
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Post by: Doobie Dan on October 11, 2004, 10:34:51 AM: Quote
I hate ns_altair with a passion. There is a pattern: all the new official maps are starting to suck. :blink:
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You realize new maps have to compete with maps that have received years of playtesting.

Altair has quite a bit of potential, just needs to have (numerous) its problems fixed. A lot of cool elements there.
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Post by: Malevolent on October 11, 2004, 11:00:15 AM: That's true Dan, but it also seems like they're not even attempting to fix some of them *cough*ns_metal*cough*. Now, I'm not in the know, of course, so for all I know for the next version these maps could be revamped, but I doubt it.
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Post by: Niteowl on October 11, 2004, 11:40:10 AM: altair has a nice feel to it. balance, gameplay, maybe not. but you always know you're on altair when you play it.
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Post by: -Lancer- on October 11, 2004, 11:57:38 AM: OMG! co_de_dust!!!!! I MUST TRY THIS!!!

/edit: for the record, my most hated maps have to agora, bast and altair. not because i hate the layout, but because I inexplicably lag on all of these maps
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Post by: Grimm on October 11, 2004, 04:51:52 PM: I've only been able to play maybe one game on ns_altair; I suppose so many people hate it enough that a lot of servers pull it out of rotation. It seemed nice, although there are a few areas that I know were kind of clunky to move around in.

I agree with Malevolent that the newer maps aren't all that great. I know that a lot of you don't like combat, but I have to say most games on co_sava have been pretty painful.
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Post by: Satiagraha on October 11, 2004, 05:13:12 PM: Aye, I like most of the other maps, it's just sava (and ass3) that I can't stand. I guess it's just the layout that is annoying, or it could be the hive room with ramps next to the hive that the rines can just shoot down from... <_<
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Post by: Grimm on October 11, 2004, 05:34:10 PM: And how easy it is to camp in the hallways just outside of the hive, as well as the rooms outside of those hallways, as well as the room outside of those rooms... There's just too many open places where the marines can slaughter the aliens.
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Post by: Satiagraha on October 11, 2004, 05:41:33 PM: Quote
There's just too many open places where the marines can slaughter the aliens.
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Yes. It seems that every time I play I'm hiding from the rines, waiting for them to come to me. The only way I've ever seen an alien victory is when the rines are ambushed and the aliens rush MS before the rines have a chance to respawn. If anything, Sava is a lerk and skulk map.
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Post by: Grimm on October 11, 2004, 07:41:25 PM: I can usually do well enough as a fade, but getting the experience necessary as a skulk is a pain in the ass. I would lerk more often, but I usually get shot down after one kill. As an Onos with Celerity and Stomp, I can hold the marines back really well, as long as I don't encounter them in the side room with all of the ramps and those annoying guardrails (left exit from marine start).
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Post by: Doobie Dan on October 12, 2004, 10:50:04 AM: Altair has some wonderful elements and hopefully will be a great map to PLAY someday. It just needs a lot of fixing and attention to playtests.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 12, 2004, 12:12:32 PM: For what it's worth, I've just seen a recent build of altair by KFDM and my main complaint about it: TOO BRIGHT! So it's really going through a lot of changes. He's definitely trying to fix up the lighting and make it as playable and enjoyable as possible. In fact, I don't think I can recall seeing a mapper this involved and active in improving their map.
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Post by: Doobie Dan on October 12, 2004, 02:14:17 PM: Quote
For what it's worth, I've just seen a recent build of altair by KFDM and my main complaint about it: TOO BRIGHT! So it's really going through a lot of changes. He's definitely trying to fix up the lighting and make it as playable and enjoyable as possible. In fact, I don't think I can recall seeing a mapper this involved and active in improving their map.
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Excellent, I'm really glad to hear that. Altair would die very quickly without a lot of attention... and I don't want to see that happen - every time I play on it, I'm like wow, this is some cool stuff in this map, I wonder what it'd be like to play a REAL game on it. :)

Props to KFDM!
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Post by: Malevolent on October 12, 2004, 07:47:52 PM: That's good to hear. It could turn out good. The one hive that is huge (not the one with the pit [which is Omega I think] and not Consistency) is so dark in some spots it's crazy. But that should be fixed like you said. Do you know if he fixed that same hives spawning area. Today Avs was comming and we were sieging and skulks actually spawned where we were sieging which was outside the hive really.
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Post by: Grimm on October 13, 2004, 01:51:09 AM: I would definitely like to see more of ns_altair.
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Post by: Vitamin Lead on October 16, 2004, 12:24:42 AM: Any map that is MvM or AvA. (If they ever make one.) The thought is just so asinine, that anyone could actually balance a game type like that is beyond me. Imagine something the size of a fade, with 1/3 the health vs a lvl 3 shottie... ...duh... ...or even more amusing, imagine 8 skulks on two different teams running on the walls, leaping and biting each other in a small room. That would be hectic, and really funny to watch :blink: . :)
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Post by: lolfighter on October 16, 2004, 05:33:03 AM: Balance would be REAL easy, in fact. At least balancing the two sides against each other, since the two sides are equal. If one side has an advantage, it's because of the map. And the shotgun would lose much of its power. The reason why it's so powerful is because it's up against opponents that rely largely on close combat. An hmg would chew up a shotgunner before he'd get close enough to do significant damage. Just look at CS.
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Post by: DynamicPerformance on October 21, 2004, 03:18:29 AM: ns_metal...
Every time we finish a game, co OR ns, the server switches to metal...
dam u metal DAM U!

oh... and mvm...
i personally like ava, mainly because it IS so hectic, *manical laugh*

Dynamicman out...
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Post by: Malevolent on October 21, 2004, 04:21:14 AM: Quote
Just look at CS.
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Post by: SgtFury on October 21, 2004, 05:50:39 AM: For some reason all I seem to play on lately is eclipse,veil,mineshafted and nancy. I don` t think I`ve seen other maps in weeks. Granted I only get on about the same time every week but you wouldn`t think the maps stuck to a certain time.... or do they? :blink:
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Post by: Temm on October 21, 2004, 07:57:45 AM: I really hate er...dislike ns_caged, I think it has something to do with me always building the resource nodes and damn skulks popping every which way!
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Post by: Malevolent on October 21, 2004, 08:45:34 AM: I love caged because there is alawys a fight at double. Actually, it seems like you just always encounter aliens or marines. Keeps the pace going good. The only thing that sucks about it is that the Sewer hive is ridiculously hard to seige.
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Post by: TheAdj on October 21, 2004, 01:02:37 PM: Mineshaft. It makes me cringe to play because it has a ridiculous marine bias, and it's just ugly to look at. Tanith, eclipse, veil, they may be bland but they're not as UGLY as mineshaft. All the new maps have a blue/green look, which I really like, I feel more at home on ayumi or agora than any other map (except hera, my lerk favorite).
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Post by: Niteowl on October 21, 2004, 01:28:50 PM: it would be nice if every hive on every map was siegeable from outside. i just find it odd that some are not. ns_caged: sewer, ns_mineshaft: tram tunnel, etc.
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Post by: Satiagraha on October 21, 2004, 01:50:06 PM: Sewer can be sieged from the north... or at least it was able to and I don't think they've changed it.
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Post by: Plaguebearer on October 21, 2004, 05:09:25 PM: thor station. worst map evar.
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Post by: confused! on October 22, 2004, 09:10:38 AM: i feel the same way about ns_richmond right now:)
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Post by: TOmekki on October 22, 2004, 04:44:45 PM: Quote
Mineshaft. It makes me cringe to play because it has a ridiculous marine bias, and it's just ugly to look at. Tanith, eclipse, veil, they may be bland but they're not as UGLY as mineshaft. All the new maps have a blue/green look, which I really like, I feel more at home on ayumi or agora than any other map (except hera, my lerk favorite).

ugly? i never thought so... actually, if the layout was balanced somehow (where IS the mapper, btw?) it could very well be on my favorite map list.
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Post by: Quaunaut on October 25, 2004, 10:35:59 AM: I kinda dislike altair, but it has its moments.

BTW: Eclipse featureless? What other map has electric walls? What other map has the easily best gestation crap? Comon!
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Post by: Doobie Dan on October 25, 2004, 11:04:11 AM: Quote
I kinda dislike altair, but it has its moments.

BTW: Eclipse featureless? What other map has electric walls? What other map has the easily best gestation crap? Comon!
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It may have cool looking walls, but other than that it's mostly hallways, as compared to maps like Bast that actually has ship stuff in it.

However Eclipse is also one of the most playable maps.
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Post by: Quaunaut on October 25, 2004, 11:14:51 AM: Quote
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I kinda dislike altair, but it has its moments.

BTW: Eclipse featureless? What other map has electric walls? What other map has the easily best gestation crap? Comon!
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It may have cool looking walls, but other than that it's mostly hallways, as compared to maps like Bast that actually has ship stuff in it.

However Eclipse is also one of the most playable maps.
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Well, it has ship related stuff, its just that a lot isn't noticed.

For example: Eclipse is the command center. Computer core is the servers.

...though, I must agree, it needs personality. But notice, thats one of the things people disliked about bast- its "reality" screwed over balance(aka, you have double means you have feedwater).

Reality wise, I'd say Ayumi does the best job. It feels like a real place. And its blue, which is ALWAYS good. And not the stupid blue: The cool one :)
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Post by: Mr.Bill on October 25, 2004, 04:14:23 PM: *stabs all who said any mvm/ava maps*

but only halfway, because they didnt specify my map :-D
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Post by: Malevolent on October 25, 2004, 04:51:55 PM: Ha, only half-stabbed. I got a full stab from Bill.
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Post by: Redford on November 01, 2004, 02:12:18 PM: ns_ass2 (http://www.geocities.com/exchangeplanet3/mankey4.jpg)
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Post by: Owen on November 03, 2004, 08:38:40 AM: lol... nice and simple there Reddeh... but still, I'm a real hater of the new bast... it makes me want to... damage my eyes
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Post by: Crispy on November 26, 2004, 09:25:40 AM: Quote
For what it's worth, I've just seen a recent build of altair by KFDM and my main complaint about it: TOO BRIGHT! So it's really going through a lot of changes. He's definitely trying to fix up the lighting and make it as playable and enjoyable as possible. In fact, I don't think I can recall seeing a mapper this involved and active in improving their map.

Is that maybe because it's the worst map ever to be given official status. I really wonder about who playtested it (Hives, r_speeds which in some areas were ridiculous). I've read a lot about what's been changed but I still think the general look of the map is lacklustre in terms of brushwork and textures, the lighting's another matter.

I will say that it has a good atmosphere: original and involving, which is the one thing you need to get right from the very start of a new map. I'm also looking forward to seeing his sub world model get finished. It looks great but last thing I heard it still needed meshing and skinning.

I'll quote this because it made me laugh -lots- even if it was unintentional.

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I would definitely like to see more of ns_altair.

My least favourite maps are as follows:
ns_altair explained above
ns_veil (a.k.a. ns_dblres) perhaps due to being overplayed, any round I play on this map gives me terrible deja vue...
ns_eclipse perhaps due to being overplayed, any round I play on this map gives me terrible deja vue...

Hate's a strong word but I come pretty close when I think about some of these areas:
ns_agora There's a section very close to Marine start that has an RT triangle that's very easily holdable...(ftw!)
ns_ayumi One Hive has only one Onos-friendly exit that gently slopes down to the most Marine-friendly siegepoint I've ever seen, with LoS to the Hive???!!!111
-although my rage is usually dampened when I think about the vents and weldable areas, and then there's the blue and the brushwork...aaaah.

[Edit]I'm also glad that co_50mHivecamp was changed to eliminate the Hive LoS. It's now a very playable map (if the MS is a tad on the small side).
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Post by: Avs on November 28, 2004, 02:13:18 AM: co_ava2 - because its so buggy, the sekret room isnt so secret (and its not so hot), teams are bugged, map is buggy...

the only thing its got going for it is the fact that the ready room is where all the skulks FFA on each other !
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Post by: EmperorPenguin on November 28, 2004, 11:51:26 PM: Based on aesthetics, I never really hated ns_altair all that much, and didn't mind the new bast (although it is worse than its predecessors). I hate them now because of their tendency to empty out the server. Not fun.
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Post by: Hopelessness on November 30, 2004, 01:23:06 AM: Agora, definitly. Not in terms of playability, as I'm not entirely sure which maps I'd consider unbalanced. I can't specifically place the problems I have with the map, but for one, it just seems rather large with nothing standing out. There are still some parts of the layout of that map that I don't know, compared to having pretty much every other map memorized. Metal falls into the same catagory. It just seems like an average map by an average mapper.
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Post by: [Freemantle] on November 30, 2004, 09:23:42 AM: ns_altair and ns_bast for sure. The new Bast is just pales in comparison to its older versions, and altair should have been a combat map. I would love to hate the new ns_nancy, but all of my best ns memories come from that map and eclipse.
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Post by: SwiftSpear on December 07, 2004, 09:33:33 AM: Eclipse is the most frustrating possible map for any habitual gorge. I swear to God there isn't a single reasonably defendable resourse node for the aliens on the entire map. That map feels more like a war or attrition then any other map in the intire game. I'll play nancy over eclipse, I'll play bast over eclipse, I'll play agora over eclipse, hell I'll play CO maps over eclipse.

Actually, in all honesty I'm so withdrawn from being unable to play NS due to my damn ass crap university ISP that I would play even eclipse in a second and love doing it.
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Post by: That Annoying Kid on December 07, 2004, 11:36:53 AM: Quote
Based on aesthetics, I never really hated ns_altair all that much, and didn't mind the new bast (although it is worse than its predecessors). I hate them now because of their tendency to empty out the server. Not fun.
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maps that empty server really kill my buzz :angry:
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Post by: 2_of_8 on December 19, 2004, 01:20:31 PM: Probably ns_bast, because refinery hive is so huge!
And maybe eclipse, for no apparent reason.