Overly Chatty Penguins
The Ready Room => General => Topic started by: Mr.Bill on May 28, 2004, 01:13:52 PM
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K, I've seen plenty of "what makes a good comm" thread, loads of em, saying generally the same thing, that's great and all, but some of us dont comm :) (and when we do we generally know were going to loose any, mine strat!) So I was thinking, hey why not make a thread that makes up a good marine?
This can come from possibly a comm's point of view (BUILD THE DAMN PG HOLY CRAP YOU DONT LISTEN *drop*) , or a fellow marines point of view (OMG YOU DIDNT WELD ME!! WTFH4X!? BANT!). So I was just wondering what makes a REALLY good marine, and if so, am I that marine? :-D
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Hm, hard one.
Following orders, know when to shoot/not shoot, know when it's the right time to sneak of and get that ninja-PG in the Aliens Hive. That's pretty much the thing i can come up with right now.
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Don't forget NOT walking into another marines line of fire and then NOT complaining when you get TKed.
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A good marine would be someone who knows how to follow his comm's orders/demands and get be well guided. He also has to be able to protect he along with his teamates. Oh and a good shot never hurts.
I'd say Bill your somewhat along those guidelines.
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Rule ONE: Follow orders. If you can't get anything else right, just do that. Go to your waypoints. Build what is dropped. Don't go wandering off looking for something to bite you. Those squads the comm put you in? Yeah, that means you're supposed to STAY with those people!
Advanced marine skills: (Note, ONLY for those who have completely mastered rule ONE) Think on your feet. Team's only got two RTs up and you're passing a smoking node? Request an RT. You just happened to glance into a hive room and there's a hive building? Scream for a PG. Good comms are always ready to alter their strats to take advantage of good luck. But don't think TOO hard. If the comm says 'I don't want that RT, get to the waypoint,' you GO! The comm is the man with the ultimate plan, he sees a lot more than you do from the field. Always always always remember rule ONE. It takes precedence over everything.
Sundry other details: Aim at alien, pull trigger. Following rule ONE and moving in groups makes this ridiculously easy, so that even people who can't hit the broadside of an onos can rack up kills when they're combining their lead with the lead of their comrades.
Ask for what you need. The comm can't ALWAYS be watching your health. (the good ones will be, though) And the comm does not ever know your ammo count. If you need it, AND you're in a place that's worth having you in, call for it. Don't beg for meds when you're ten feet from base, please...
Try to always be ready to move on. Get your ammo when you have a second, reload when aliens aren't in the room at the moment. Weld constantly if you have a welder. Lots of great pushes lose all forward momentum because everyone suddenly needs to ammo up, weld up, they want a tfac, they want a shotgun, they need to go to the little marine's room, etc. Just GO. Every second you're humpling the sweet sweet armory is a second the aliens are expanding their territory, their res, and their evolutions.
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Bob Well said you are light years beyond the rest. As for MrBill yes hes a good marine and thats why i give him the Hmgs with catpacks :lol:
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- Having an understanding of what needs to be done and when it needs to be done.
- An understanding of the timeframe you can expect things to happen in given how the match is progressing. Knowing the timeframe allows you to operate better, for instance on 4 minutes i sneak into the hive and try and kill the fade egg.
- Understanding and knowing the map layout. I hate nothing more than marines who do not know location names. Also by understanding the layout of maps you can learn choke points, sitting in these is always nice if you have nothing else to do.
- Look above doors and stuff. A lot of marines just run out and die repeatdly to the same skulk in a stupid hiding place, when you come out a door do a 360 jump.
- Using your minimap. My mini map is up so much, especially with MT, soooo damn powerful. Also if you use your minimap you're the commanders best friend. Suddenly you can see which rts we have and don't have and you should know which ones we should have. IE topographical on ns_veil or whatever and you can go over there without the comm prompting you and cap it.
- Getting things done when asked. Aggression is so important, don't fanny around on the armoury, get the hell out of base and kill something and start heading towards these pressure spots and potential second hive locations.
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- Using your minimap. My mini map is up so much, especially with MT, soooo damn powerful. Also if you use your minimap you're the commanders best friend. Suddenly you can see which rts we have and don't have and you should know which ones we should have. IE topographical on ns_veil or whatever and you can go over there without the comm prompting you and cap it.
agreed. my minimap is open more often than its not, i'm serious. it lets you know where everyone is at, like "bob just died in power banks vs. 1 skulk, i should stop humping and save the rt". motion tracking lets you know things like "a red dot is going through the vent from their hive to heating room, its not guard by turrets / elec, i should phase and kill the skulk as soon as he pops his head out of the vent."
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- Using your minimap. My mini map is up so much, especially with MT, soooo damn powerful. Also if you use your minimap you're the commanders best friend. Suddenly you can see which rts we have and don't have and you should know which ones we should have. IE topographical on ns_veil or whatever and you can go over there without the comm prompting you and cap it.
agreed. my minimap is open more often than its not, i'm serious. it lets you know where everyone is at, like "bob just died in power banks vs. 1 skulk, i should stop humping and save the rt". motion tracking lets you know things like "a red dot is going through the vent from their hive to heating room, its not guard by turrets / elec, i should phase and kill the skulk as soon as he pops his head out of the vent."
And remember, you don't see the MT-blips when you're buildings so have the minimap open.
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I'll have you know that was like twelve skulks, three fades, and a speedhacking lerk. And I could have taken them all, too, if the comm had just dropped me some ammo.
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Good answer bob.
Also a good sign of a marine always kick on his feet knows what to do or say ;)
I myslef use the minimap a lot when we havce mt, saves a lot of time just GUESSING where aliens are.
And if a marine is shooting a skulk or fade and your in his way, move, or atleast duck I can't STAND it when marines are in my line of fire of a fade and my shottie is all ready to blast that bugger away!
Oh, and when a onos dies, dont keep shooting, there's usualy a marine in there, i cant count the times ive died by tk's after being saved in the stomatch of an onos.
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-Follows Orders (obviously)
-Caps res nodes
-Covers his teamates when their building
-Can Aim and at least take on a skulk 1v1
-Doesn't Rambo unless told to
-Doesn't whine for "bigger gunz" and equipment
-Shoots at the right time (in other words dont blast your SG at your fellow teamte because a fade was near him 2 seconds ago before it blinked)
- Makes an attempt to save his fellow marine when being ambushed at a distance
- Tries to save any HeavyArmor Marines taken by the Onos (when LA)
-When LA tries to jump in front of an onos, to be sacrificed instead of the HA (Ive done this twice before :p and it actually worked)
- Tells his nearby teamtes where a ambush might take place, or where a enemy is by.
- Requests Orders when has none.
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When the comm tells you that there is a phasegate inside/outside a hive and wants you to phase, DONT HUMP THE FRICKING ARMORY, JUST GO! If he said he dropped shotguns, pick up a shotgun and PHASE, dont fill it up with ammo first. TIME IS EVERYTHING! He will drop you ammo on the other side, IF YOU NEED IT!
When you shotgun rush a hive, if everyone on the team picks up a shotgun, you all have 8 shots in it and that is enough to kill a hive in under 6-8 seconds. If everyone just phases when they are told and shoot ALL THOSE 8 SHOTS into the hive, you wont need extra ammo until the hive is down, and then the comm will drop it for you.
Sorry if i sound like a jerk about this, but this is just the most frustrating thing ever, when people armory hump when every second counts to get that hive/location down.
I have actually recycled an upgraded armory because of this :angry:
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[...]He will drop you ammo on the other side, IF YOU NEED IT![...]
That's an improvement. Ammopacks are 1 res nowadays, right? Back when I used to play, if you were at 0/0 ammo and asked for some more, you'd get a pack of ammo, a medpack if you needed one, and that's it.
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Do everything Venmoch doesn't.
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Teamwork.
But besides that: "Position target in the center. Pull the Switch" (repeat)
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***Ignore this post, I was tired and drugged***
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rad4Christ,Jun 12 2004, 03:46 AM] I like what I'm reading, just love to see it sometimes ingame :p.
Seriously, good stuff, but also, what makes a good marine is someone who has fun with it too. I know there are some I stop giving ammo/meds to sometimes because their skills are kinda making it not-so-fun for others, or the ones cursing out the whole team. The same way there are some commanders I don't like, even though they win, and are good commanders, they don't make it fun.
There is a difference between "good" marines, and "fun" marines.
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All the aforementioned, plus what I think is a big one: A good sense of humor / Smartassness!
One smartass/joker on the team can make the game fun, and not only that, keep morale enough that the marines wan't to fight harder. A simple one-liner can rally a team after a loss of a critical location.
Perfect example of this was a couple days ago on another server, I was building a PG in the hive, PG goes up, everyone phases through, then is decimated by an onos. Third hive goes up immediately after.
Comm: Damn guys, GJ, it's over.
Me: Wait comm, I do have some good news!
Comm: What's that?
Me: I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico!
Whole team cracks up, lightens up, and we get a Jetpack rush going to push them back to a one-hive phase situation.
Morale is more important than you'd think, try to be a team builder, as well as a team player!
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-Follow orders
-know what to do when the comm doesn't give you orders (get rt's, sneak into hives, etc)
-use your minimap, you can find out exactly where the fighting is, and can come in behind gorges defending and such
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-I found that when im runnin over our rt's to check them i usually find skulkz or fades biting/slashin...and the comm doesnt catch that all the time...
-If a waypoint has a bunch of oc's set up around it dont run in all by yourself....call your comm....i'm still learning that.... :p
-Work with your team
-Build structures as soon as their dropped....unless it's a res tower situation..
-Move to your waypoint soldier
....oh and one more thing...if another marines head is in your line of sight and a skulks coming at you both...dont shoot unless the marines head turns into an aliens head flying right at you..... :D
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i think,. of all things a marine can be, it is NOT to give the comm orders. as soon as a marines starts telling the comm what to do, i think the two people need to change places, a marine has no place telling the comm what to do, period end of sentence. everything else, i believe, has been covered here.
as a (fairly) regular comm, i've found that the thing that really irks me about my marines is when they try to tell me how to run my strat. "elec this node comm" or "comm, phase here so we can secure it" etc. of all the things...that just irks me and i just wanna comm-slap them.
....grrr...
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On contrary to that. Ive found that a great marine player will verbally converse with the commander, support or contest the strategy, but ultimately strive to help the team win. So in the case if a comm is making a mistake, he will correct the comm. In any situation he will suggest what to do first, as he is in the best situation to do so. For example, the minimap basically shows everything that the commander can see. However, the commander always has to keep an eye on the main viewing area of the map, not the smaller minimap in his left bottom corner. The marine on the otherhand always has time to check his minimap, and whats better, is that he is there in person, so he knows (given hes already a good player, ie good shot, and good players kills in communication, hear, good common sense, etc) what should be done. Ive seen a lot of commanders drop resource towers without asking if its safe, and then having to watch a skulk kill the marine, and losing the tower.
The marine alone knows whether he can complete an objective or not. So I rather have my marines (when I comm), not only follow orders, but tell me whats going on around the map. I could go on and on about how a marine should play NS, (I wrote a 21 page faq on what 1 marine should know and how he should play), but you probably get my point.
Sometimes you need to prod the marines a little, ask them a little more, goad them to not get ammo, but patience is key, and it build relationship between marines and you as a comm.
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i think,. of all things a marine can be, it is NOT to give the comm orders. as soon as a marines starts telling the comm what to do, i think the two people need to change places, a marine has no place telling the comm what to do, period end of sentence. everything else, i believe, has been covered here.
as a (fairly) regular comm, i've found that the thing that really irks me about my marines is when they try to tell me how to run my strat. "elec this node comm" or "comm, phase here so we can secure it" etc. of all the things...that just irks me and i just wanna comm-slap them.
....grrr...
yes, i agree with this, when i comm, i more or less command like a TYRANT!! YARRR!!!
not to say i don't take suggestions, as avs said, i think it's important to have a good rapport between the two. but not dictating everything that needs to get done from the ground. it's a fine line. i think suggestions, or asking, is the key, rather than telling the comm. it irks me to no end. i have a weak, pathetic ego like that. :p :p
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A marine can help a comm greatly by having his minimap out. With the 'under attack' messages rarely playing at the right times, an attentive marine can tell the comm that there's something in base LONG before the comm ever gets a message about it. Remember there's a pretty wide radius around the obs that always provides MT on the minimap. If you see a red dot in base, yell.
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yes yes yes bob! i can't think of how many times i've been yelled at cuz i didn't notice the base went down while i was busy watching a hive get sieged or soemthing. *sigh* if only i'd had marines who know what their minimap was for *grins*
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most times Ill try to work with comm, but every second word out of me is "elec" for some reason, (god I love elec strats) anyway if you hear me sying that a lot, ignore it most times because I'll say it in most situations...
"Comm! they have a fade! drop two tf's around that rt and elec all 3! then they'll pay!" i usualy stop when teh comm says no or move on, unless the comm says nothign at all, and that's just a general worry point in all games for a marine :)
and also, most times If i see an attack is not going well, I'll try to ninja around the main assault so while all the aliens are busy in the front BAM pg in the back where no one sees it... works well most times.