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The Ready Room => Off Topic => Topic started by: Dead_Meat on May 11, 2005, 09:04:50 AM

Title: computer question
Post by: Dead_Meat on May 11, 2005, 09:04:50 AM

hey i'm about to build a new comp for work so i dont have to keep lugging mine back and forth. I use autocad and do 3d piping drawings.

i would like to hear some opinions on proccessors in my current computer i have an amd athlon xp 3000 running at 2.17 GHz

i'm trying to decide between getting an athlon 64 processor or getting a pentium 4.

which processor do yall think would be better?

Title: computer question
Post by: 2_of_8 on May 11, 2005, 10:22:37 AM

From what I hear (which might not necessarily be true), Pentiums are better for general work, with Athlons being more suited to gaming.
Although I'm not sure, and I use a Pentium 4 2.4 ghz - mainly for gaming.

Title: computer question
Post by: Dead_Meat on May 11, 2005, 10:54:52 AM

ok heres pretty much the whole package i'm thinking of

case
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...3&sku=B452-1124 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=674553&sku=B452-1124)

cd
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...8&sku=TC3J-1012 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1176828&sku=TC3J-1012)

hd
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...2&sku=THD-80MM8 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1388472&sku=THD-80MM8)

os
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...00&sku=M17-7502 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=335900&sku=M17-7502)

vidio card
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...3&sku=P56-FX500 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=668753&sku=P56-FX500)

mobo/processor
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...ku=MBM-SG80-530 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1360052&sku=MBM-SG80-530)

cooling fan
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...1&sku=TC3G-2028 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1116581&sku=TC3G-2028)

memory x2
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...48&sku=S21-4906 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1087948&sku=S21-4906)



if yall think i should change something let me know

Title: computer question
Post by: Black Mage on May 11, 2005, 12:34:38 PM

get an athlon64, wait for winXP64 public and a 64bit version of acad/3dsm

you will be in lurve

Title: computer question
Post by: devicenull on May 11, 2005, 12:44:52 PM

I also recommend 64 bit.  
That and at least 1gb of memory.

I wouldn't go with a bundle package.. check out whats available unbundled.

Dont forget some nice thermal compound... I got Arctic Silver 5, and ArcticClean to get rid of the old thermal shit.

If your going 64bit, you might as well go PCI-E, instead of AGP

Title: computer question
Post by: Bryan on May 11, 2005, 01:03:17 PM

64 all the way man...

also go ati on the video...

I say pci-e just so you can upgrade it later.


Bryan

Title: computer question
Post by: Leaderz0rz on May 11, 2005, 05:58:30 PM

the reviews of the new duel core amd64s destroy all current intels...in all programs.

Title: computer question
Post by: Hopelessness on May 12, 2005, 04:12:32 AM

Yes, I'd definitely advise going with an Athlon 64
The 3200+ should be around 200$ and the 3000+ is ~150, with an nForce4 Ultra mobo being ~110 or a plain nForce4 board being ~80.
It'll almost certainly be faster, not to mention you have an easy upgrade path to dual core if you want to later, since it uses the same socket. You might as well go with PCI-E in that case, as there's not too much of a reason not to. (And it looks like there are some nearly identical PCI-E quadros, at nearly the same price, but I really have no clue about workstation cards)
Only other observation is I have no clue how much I'd trust the power supply that comes with that case, as it seems to be genericly branded by a case manufacturer I've never even heard of.

Title: computer question
Post by: SwiftSpear on May 12, 2005, 05:15:38 AM

I reccommend you give us a ceiling, and quick!

Otherwize you get lots of great advice from nerds that does little but help you build an 8000 dollar benchmark smasher.

Title: computer question
Post by: Dead_Meat on May 12, 2005, 07:03:04 AM

i'm trying to stay at about $1000
and i need to get it up here in 3-5weeks
this will be a work comp only so i dont need it for games
the main program it will be running will be autocad 2004

and i do appriciate all the responses

updated stuff

cpu/fan
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...u=CP1-A64-32009 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1170079&sku=CP1-A64-32009)

mobo
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...6&sku=G452-2308 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1339286&sku=G452-2308)

video
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...2&sku=A271-9578 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239462&sku=A271-9578)

Title: computer question
Post by: Dead_Meat on May 12, 2005, 07:20:30 AM

as for the case and power supply
i dont know one from the other i just know i want a black case because my monitor and keyboard are black
and i figured i'd need at least a 400watt power suppy

Title: computer question
Post by: Goldy on May 12, 2005, 10:56:28 AM

I ordered a "new" ATI video card from TigerDirect. I received a card that had not been manufactured by ATI, and which had some weird double-slot plate on the front that didn't even fit into the computer without being bent. When I called their customer service, they were morons who wouldn't replace the card with what I had actually ordered, since they probably never had a genuine ATI card to begin with.

If you order all parts for a machine from them, you're really pushing your luck. Check out the 500+ bad reviews: http://www.pricegrabber.com/rating_getrevi...0/form_keyword= (http://www.pricegrabber.com/rating_getreview.php/lastrec=8525/order=DESC/sort=2/retid=500/form_keyword=)

Title: computer question
Post by: devicenull on May 12, 2005, 10:59:45 AM

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the reviews of the new duel core amd64s destroy all current intels...in all programs.

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Dual core means two processors in one.  Of course thats going to preform better then a single core processor.

Title: computer question
Post by: Dead_Meat on May 12, 2005, 02:42:50 PM

ok now shopping at newegg.com found this from one of the bad reviews for tiger direct more stuff and better prices

case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16811148022 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811148022)

cd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16827152035 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827152035)

hd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822144230 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144230)

os
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16837102153 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16837102153)

mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813131530 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131530)

cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16819103502 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103502)

ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16820145450 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820145450)

video
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814133133 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814133133)

Title: computer question
Post by: SwiftSpear on May 12, 2005, 03:26:58 PM

Newegg owns TBH.  Makes me wish we had a reasonable canadian equivalent (since they are asses about shipping to canada)

Title: computer question
Post by: aeroripper on May 20, 2005, 01:45:01 AM

newegg rocks!  I've build two comptuers from them and buy all my hardware from them.  Usually end up getting it a lot cheaper than best buy as well.

Title: computer question
Post by: Bryan on May 20, 2005, 06:08:00 AM

A. I like new egg...and zipzoomfly as well.

B. whats with the Video card? im having trouble understanding why it cost so much. im not up with all the nvidea products but it seems kinda weak...


bryan

Title: computer question
Post by: Dead_Meat on May 20, 2005, 06:39:16 AM

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B. whats with the Video card? im having trouble understanding why it cost so much. im not up with all the nvidea products but it seems kinda weak...

[snapback]48997[/snapback]

the way i understand it they pny quatro card is designed more for workstation graphics like cad aplications and not really for vidio games.

i'm building this comp mainly for work to run autocad 2004 i do alot of 3d piping drawings and when i render a 3d model it really bogs down the comp
most of the systems i've worked on have had the latest and greatest video game card in them and still had trouble rendering the 3d objects in autocad.
My current vidio card is an ati radeon 9800pro and it has trouble rendering my 3d dwgs. so i am really wanting to try one of the pny quatro cards.