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Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: scooter-blue on October 04, 2004, 04:47:55 PM
About four months after getting banned from the NS.org forum, the moderators there were nice enough to lift my suspension.  I have to admit that I honestly never thought this would happen.  I'm grateful to them for my second chance.

I'm also grateful to the Lunixmonster community, because this has been my NS home since then, and you guys have been unprejudiced toward me despite my shady history.

I don't know what impact Redford and Bob had on this decision, but let me say regardless of that they've been welcoming and fair to me since I first came here.

The NS.org moderators thought it best that I have my name changed there to at least partially obscure my identity to curb flames, so my new one is blueback.

So, once again, thanks to everyone here at LM and thanks to the NS.org admins  :)

Here's the open letter that I sent to the NS.org moderators a couple days ago requesting an unban:

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Dear NS.org forum administrators:

I'd like to respectfully and formally request a review of the suspension of my forum priviliges.  I'm not asking a review of whether the suspension was justified--far from it.  I understand and appreciate why I was banned.  I understand that I disregarded the forum's official code of conduct and undermined a common level of forum decency and etiquette.  I'm not here to question the judgement of the admins but rather to ask forgiveness for my actions and to appeal to the mercy of those I offended.  I apologize for what I did and would like to assure the admins with whatever credibility I have left that, given a another chance, I would not repeat my previous inappropriate actions.  It's been about four months since my last visit to the NS.org forums, and I'd like to humbly request a probationary reinstatement of my forum priviliges.

My efforts back in May to reform the forum, despite how misguided they may have been, were in the best of intentions.  I, just like the board's moderators, want what's best for the Natural Selection community.  I made a grave miscalculation in how best to go about achieving that goal when re-posting deleted posts, evading bans, and PM'ing users my posts, but my objective was to make the world of NS better for everyone.  In retrospect I was wrong in the specifics of my suggestions and in the way I went about making them, but my intentions were pure.  So the question I pose is whether I'm the kind of person that needs to be banned from the forum.  I'm a loyal member of the community--and have been since May 2003--that got out of line, learned his lesson, and is sorry.  So, I apologize and ask your forgiveness.

P.S. if it helps any, here's a rather biased account of my banning that I wrote back in May:
http://nsforumreform.proboards21.com/index...&num=1085918971 (http://nsforumreform.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=opendiscussion&action=display&num=1085918971)
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 04, 2004, 05:07:11 PM
;)

Now go forth and make the world a better place, good sir.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Slink on October 04, 2004, 10:38:30 PM
i once got banned from a cs server for getting on the server, saying "I want to eat a baby."

I think i was on the server for maybe 15 seconds total...


EDIT: whoa, just noticed title.  eek!  oh, suppose i should say something on topic too.  um, glad to have you at lunixmonster, and good luck on the forums?  i think that works.  happy hunting :)
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Redford on October 05, 2004, 04:03:02 AM
The ban was lifted because:

1. You are behaving here, and I am part of this community, so I let them know you are.

2. You realised what you did and made an apology for it.


Now, please remeber to uphold YOUR end of it - actually behaving.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: lolfighter on October 05, 2004, 07:46:06 AM
Wow. If all people were like you, I'd be out of a job. Not that LB is paying me...
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 05, 2004, 08:13:20 AM
We admins of the world get paid in the love and respect of the people we watch over, making every day a little bit better for them.

And if you believe that, there's a bridge or two I'd like to sell you.  :p
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Dark on October 05, 2004, 08:53:12 AM
really i've always wanted to own a couple bridges :p

anyways scooter keep to your word in the apology and no bad reprocussions should happen
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 05, 2004, 09:43:52 AM
wewt for scooter!


now we just have to get him slotted, he has stuck around and been productive >:D  <3
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Malevolent on October 05, 2004, 07:29:35 PM
Nice letter there scooter. Glad to hear you were unbanned.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Leaderz0rz on October 08, 2004, 12:55:07 AM
nothing goes on the ns forums anyways.. only cool place is off topic.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 08, 2004, 03:22:38 AM
I imagine then that if I probably tried hard enough to, I could get unbanned as well :p
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 08, 2004, 10:16:27 AM
sure you could, just e-mail nem0 and explain what your horrible grievance was that got you banned, and then plea for some redemption and voila.

I seem to recall you angered monse with uploading your sig, then re-uploading it, and then having a ulatoh style sig war. >:D
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 08, 2004, 01:22:09 PM
Nah that was different, according to the ban ticket it was for making fun of Beast. I don't think I'll ever be able to apologize for that though :)
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 08, 2004, 01:24:36 PM
ah, that makes sense

Beast is quite an interesting person, to say the least


***howls***

okay enough hijacking, back to talk about scooter :)
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 08, 2004, 02:50:54 PM
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Nah that was different, according to the ban ticket it was for making fun of Beast. I don't think I'll ever be able to apologize for that though :)
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Word it correctly. There's a difference between saying "I was wrong and beast was right and didn't deserve my insults." and saying "The way I phrased myself was poorly chosen and I intend to keep my personal thoughts to myself in the future." I wouldn't see anything wrong with that. And it's not like we can ask anyone not to have opinions. Just not sharing those opinions when all they'll do is lead to a flamey mess is all we ask.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 08, 2004, 04:12:56 PM
I can copy 'The Best of the PR Forum' and use those... you know, the ones that are like 'Unban me yo'.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 10, 2004, 06:43:01 PM
do just that

make it a stickied thread in the pr forums >:D
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Grimm on October 10, 2004, 09:57:37 PM
I don't quite see a reason to want to be unbanned in the NS boards...
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 11, 2004, 10:08:40 AM
maybe it's the offical forums for the mod that we all play and have joined other forums becuase off?

maybe being banned weighs heavy on the mind?

becuase it's a decent place?
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 11, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
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I don't quite see a reason to want to be unbanned in the NS boards...
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Go compare the ns forums to the cs forums or the steampowered forums. The ns.org forums are pretty damned good for gamer forums that tend to have a lot of kids and teenangsters frequenting them. Off-topic is usually interesting and full of worthwhile chatter, and the Discussions section is something that you won't find anywhere else. Sorry if you personally have decided to dislike them, but some people are working pretty hard to make them worthwhile.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 11, 2004, 10:18:40 AM
whayda mean make them worthwhile? they already are and have been

NS has done nothing but get bigger and better since 1.xx and most people tend to gloss over that. The forums are full of nice cheerfull helpfull people  <3
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 11, 2004, 10:22:22 AM
I more or less meant something like 'to make them the worthwhile place that they are' but that's more of a semantic silliness than anything else. My point is that I find them very good forums, and moreso now that I've seen a little bit of the work that goes into keeping worthless crap off of them... You have no idea how often people just try to spam junk in perfectly good threads, or turn something into a sudden flame war, or just generally post a thread insulting everyone and their dog. Even the sig and avatar limits. You don't think about rules like that having any effect, until you go to a forum with no limits and everyone has HUGE sigs that break the forum tables and take 20 minutes to load because they consist of an entire 5 minute clip from the Matrix... geesh. Give me the ns forums and their tiny fast loading sigs any day.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: lolfighter on October 11, 2004, 10:31:37 AM
Spoken like a true moderator. If lm.org is a tiny fraction of the work that goes into keeping ns.org relatively civil and junk-free, the moderators over there are doing a heaping load of work. I expect you guys split up the work over there somehow. Here, I make an effort to at least skim every active thread, regardless of whether the title captures my interest or not, but I don't see how a single person could possibly accomplish that over there.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Niteowl on October 11, 2004, 11:37:31 AM
ns.org is 935810957% better now that the Bob is on the case.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 11, 2004, 12:54:44 PM
Well the work sort of seems to fall to whoever wants it, and whoever is on at the time. Although some people take more care of certain areas than others. Like delarosa pretty much has the whole customization forum and all its subforums. And mapping is usually handled by tyr and greedo386, although I hang out there a lot also, so I'm doing some of that too. And I&S is of course Zunni's baby, although I'm Zunni's evil henchman in there too. General and O/T are the usual places where junk threads will end up, and just about everyone watches those.

What an exciting look into the world of modding eh? (and by the way, hasn't THIS thread gone horribly off topic?)  :p
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Grimm on October 11, 2004, 04:17:19 PM
There have always been too many people ready to jump on the negativity bandwagon and complain sooner than discuss maturely. Someone would make a thread about a game they've been playing and would like to recommend, or a game they're looking forward to, and people post in the thread just to say "That game sux, why would you ever play it?" and never respond again, or, in a worse situation, come back to bash the topic even more. That on top of how many people make small posts just to get their postcount up, not adding anything constructive to a thread at all.

You're preaching to the choir when you bring up the sig and avatar limits around me. As someone who's been around on different forums, I like the limited size that the NS and LM boards have. People often put whatever random image they have into a sig just to have a sig, but with the limits there is less random junk in a sig and it adds more of a challenge for someone who likes to make sigs; I have less room to work with to make something that looks cool without being annoying or an eyesore.

I never said that the NS forums were bad, I never said the moderators weren't doing their jobs; I was merely expressing the fact that I can only handle a certain amount of general lameness that a lot of the members display. For a long while, I really enjoyed being part of a community, communicating with people that had shared similar interests. But eventually, all of the little things that annoyed me, the postcount whores, the general asshats, and did what I tell other people to do: leave. I didn't like the atmosphere, I didn't like the annoyances, so instead of remaining and turning into an angry troll, I left.

I have recently begun reading the boards again, usually in my free time in class. There are a lot of intelligent individuals on the boards, a lot more people that are able to say "Hey, that isn't cool" to people who are being rude or inconsiderate, and people that do a very nice job presenting a topic they enjoy and want to share with others, such as the threads about the Nintendo DS for example. There are more people that I can identify with and express my ideas without worrying so much about someone posting "That idea is stupid" and running off.

So next time, at least make an attempt to understand my reasoning before going off and scold me. I'm not just some young "teenangster" who goes around hating things for no real good purpose.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 11, 2004, 11:37:34 PM
Well it's the difference between the implications in:

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I don't quite see a reason to want to be unbanned in the NS boards...
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And the clear, well thought out point of view presented in:

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There have always been too many people ready to jump on the negativity bandwagon and complain sooner than discuss maturely. Someone would make a thread about a game they've been playing and would like to recommend, or a game they're looking forward to, and people post in the thread just to say "That game sux, why would you ever play it?" and never respond again, or, in a worse situation, come back to bash the topic even more. That on top of how many people make small posts just to get their postcount up, not adding anything constructive to a thread at all.

You're preaching to the choir when you bring up the sig and avatar limits around me. As someone who's been around on different forums, I like the limited size that the NS and LM boards have. People often put whatever random image they have into a sig just to have a sig, but with the limits there is less random junk in a sig and it adds more of a challenge for someone who likes to make sigs; I have less room to work with to make something that looks cool without being annoying or an eyesore.

I never said that the NS forums were bad, I never said the moderators weren't doing their jobs; I was merely expressing the fact that I can only handle a certain amount of general lameness that a lot of the members display. For a long while, I really enjoyed being part of a community, communicating with people that had shared similar interests. But eventually, all of the little things that annoyed me, the postcount whores, the general asshats, and did what I tell other people to do: leave. I didn't like the atmosphere, I didn't like the annoyances, so instead of remaining and turning into an angry troll, I left.

I have recently begun reading the boards again, usually in my free time in class. There are a lot of intelligent individuals on the boards, a lot more people that are able to say "Hey, that isn't cool" to people who are being rude or inconsiderate, and people that do a very nice job presenting a topic they enjoy and want to share with others, such as the threads about the Nintendo DS for example. There are more people that I can identify with and express my ideas without worrying so much about someone posting "That idea is stupid" and running off.

That gives us the difference between understanding, and assumption based merely on the tone of a one line post.

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So next time, at least make an attempt to understand my reasoning before going off and scold me. I'm not just some young "teenangster" who goes around hating things for no real good purpose.

Now who's reading into something?  :p Don't worry grimm, I'm not accusing you of anything as horrible as teenangsterhood. I respect you for the intelligent poster that you are. Let's kiss and make up.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: lolfighter on October 12, 2004, 04:51:44 AM
I can understand what Grimm means with "general lameness" though. I regularly swing by Off-Topic and Discussion, but I stay away from other forums like I would from the plague. Yesterday I thought "Oh well, can't hurt" and have a look into General. I immediately find these two (http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=82853) gems. (http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=82859) I dunno what amazes me most, that anybody would make a thread like that or that anybody would want to resurrect it.
I'm staying out of there.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: BobTheJanitor on October 13, 2004, 10:24:59 AM
Yeah, very classy posts those were. But at least appreciate the fact that they were quickly locked after being posted. Even though most people on the forums like to spam "IBTL!!!!" on every stupid post. I think we need more LM style postcount-- for spamming.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: lolfighter on October 13, 2004, 12:18:04 PM
Rather impossible. With all the spam going on, you'd have no end of work to do.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Doobie Dan on October 13, 2004, 01:50:56 PM
What does IBTL stand for?   :huh:
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Niteowl on October 13, 2004, 01:52:09 PM
what's IBTL?
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Clashen on October 13, 2004, 02:55:31 PM
I Belive To Lose.
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: lolfighter on October 14, 2004, 05:59:37 AM
Ah, that's kinda what I assumed, although I was thinking along the lines of "I be the last! (before the lock)".
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Dark on October 14, 2004, 07:00:11 AM
for the ns forums most likely it is "in before the lock"

just taking a stab at it though but eh lf could be right just as well
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Satiagraha on October 14, 2004, 10:19:36 AM
In before the lock makes the most sense.

So that's how people in the NS Forums have such high postcounts... Everybody just spams. That's crazy. Now I'm glad that I don't have an account with the NS Forums. v_v
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: That Annoying Kid on October 14, 2004, 10:26:59 AM
hey now, I didn't spam my way to a high postcount, I made meaningfull posts  :)
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Dark on October 14, 2004, 03:20:32 PM
heh that is funny cause i've read some of your post here and i'm wondering if spam tastes really good to you here.

anyways enough bashing tak from meh cause in the recent days his posts have been better than those meanderings thing of old

i have an account on the ns boards just to check the consti forum every now and then
Title: Unbanned From Naturalselection.org Forums
Post by: Niteowl on October 14, 2004, 04:25:57 PM
AND to read MY posts right? RIGHT???!? oh who am i kidding, it's bob who makes all the thoughtful erudite posts anyhoo :)