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The Ready Room => General => Topic started by: Niteowl on July 28, 2004, 02:15:32 PM

Title: Bad Form
Post by: Niteowl on July 28, 2004, 02:15:32 PM

if any of you have read peter pan, you'll know that Captain Hook was constantly worried about Bad Form. "Bad form peter!" was one of his catchphrases. that is, doing things that aren't quite right, that aren't proper. so, i'll list what i find to be bad form, if you do these things, please stop, or no meecy treats for you!!!

-always going on the stacked team
-not using random (ok, not always, but most of the time, the regs should be piling in random, it's good form)
-harassing the LM folks of the gentler sex, who do not want to be harassed
-talking poorly or in jest, about anyone's spouse (make fun of me all you want, you talk about mrs. owl, i get MAXIMUM cranky MAXIMUM quickly)

i'll post more as i remember them.

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Post by: Isamil on July 28, 2004, 02:17:50 PM

I use random about 5% of the time...

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Post by: Asal on July 28, 2004, 02:32:04 PM

definitely a thing to take into consideration.  I may need to start using that phrase also, just because it fits well...

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Post by: Satiagraha on July 28, 2004, 02:49:39 PM

I don't think I've used anything but random in a very very long time :)

[size=8]and I'm nice, aren't I? o_O [/size]

Title: Bad Form
Post by: BobTheJanitor on July 28, 2004, 02:57:34 PM

Very true. We admins can't exactly make iron clad rules that say 'don't skill stack', it's just not possible. What we can do is ask you res slotters to try and keep things even. It's gentlemanly (or properly ladylike) to try and keep the skill of the teams evened up. We have a number of very good players. When they all jump on the same team, the game is over in short order and no one really has any fun.

So, if you consider yourself to have any skill at all, take a look at the teams as you're joining. Are there already a couple good players on marines? Go aliens then. Some great aliens already joined up? Go marines this round! This is, of course, up to your own honor. If you're really a good player, you should have no trouble playing against other good players, instead of stacking with them in order to make your game even easier.

Remember: we're here, first and foremost, to have a good time. If each game was played to win and nothing else, stacking skill would make nothing but sense. But what fun is there in being crushed or in totally crushing the other team? Once again, it's not a rule, because we can't enforce it.

(But I might point and laugh at you if you're too much of a sissy to challenge yourself...  :p )

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Post by: GrayDuck on July 28, 2004, 03:42:08 PM

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-harassing the LM folks of the gentler sex, who do not want to be harassed

Harassment!!!! I feel so violated by that statement!  

I especially like how you added the clause “who do not want to be harassed” – who’s the judge of that?!





 ;)   Just playing devil’s advocate!  >:D

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Post by: Lito on July 28, 2004, 03:58:05 PM

Skill stacking is a huge problem on LM.  Games skill stacked are NOT fun and do not last long.  If you know you can clean up LM, but you're the only one of that kind of skill on, fine, I can't say anything about it.  What can I complain about?  That you're owning us and thats not fair?  Many LM regulars are vets and or clanners and can mop up the server like Bob does with the mop and bucket, and I respect that.  But once you see Lochness, fatty, Tyr, and ebnar (especially on marines) on one team, c'mon...you KNOW you're going to win, grab two players, switch, and maybe a fun game can ensue.

Be considerate of your fellow players and switch!

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Post by: Satiagraha on July 28, 2004, 04:09:52 PM

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This is, of course, up to your own honor.

Yay! I have honor! ^_^

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Remember: we're here, first and foremost, to have a good time. If each game was played to win and nothing else, stacking skill would make nothing but sense.

Let's not take cheap shots now. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/satiagraha/20.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/satiagraha/20.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/satiagraha/20.gif)<---I feel bad now...

Title: Bad Form
Post by: Niteowl on July 28, 2004, 05:12:27 PM

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-harassing the LM folks of the gentler sex, who do not want to be harassed

Harassment!!!! I feel so violated by that statement!  

I especially like how you added the clause “who do not want to be harassed” – who’s the judge of that?!





 ;)   Just playing devil’s advocate!  >:D

well, i could just say Athena and be done with it, but that was putting too fine a point on it ;)

Title: Bad Form
Post by: Mr.Bill on July 28, 2004, 06:08:59 PM

I dont know about you guys, but even if I do stack I still lose, no matter what. and if I win it's by a strok of luck.

but you can be sure that if your on my team well go down mic spamming with hilrity all the wwy down.


(random works like this - If team is short player Ex: 6 -7 you will be put on the 6 team, if teams are equal, youll be put on marines. that's random for you.)

Title: Bad Form
Post by: Niteowl on July 28, 2004, 06:36:06 PM

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I dont know about you guys, but even if I do stack I still lose, no matter what. and if I win it's by a strok of luck.

but you can be sure that if your on my team well go down mic spamming with hilrity all the wwy down.
 

perhaps your mic spamming is CAUSING the team to lose? EH?!?! EH!?!?!

Title: Bad Form
Post by: Fewlio on July 28, 2004, 07:08:03 PM

NO MORE MIC SPAM PLS!!!1111

Ok back on topic!

You don't necesarilly have to have correct form every game though, like say for instance you are a really good marine, and there is one other player who is really good at marine but both of you suck at aliens and every game the other person has beat you to marines, this doesn't mean that you HAVE to go aliens every single time. This merely means that if you find that the good player joined the marines, have some heart and go aliens, but the choice is still yours. You could always talk to the other people up to your skill level and ask politely that you wish to be a marine the next round, but don't want the aliens to get slaughtered.

I still have to say this, you won't get banned for skill stacking, what would get you banned in this situation is if an admin forced you on one team and you repeatedly went back to the other when specifically told not to and then you go and curse the admin out for "being a nazi" when they're just trying to increase the play value.

Admins are here to help you, if something is wrong which you notice and the admin notices yet action still is not taken it probably means that the best action to be taken is none. Like for example, someone joins the server and accidently TKs their teammate not knowing FF is on, then once they know they are in a big firefight and TK another person just shortly after, now this wouldn't mean that they should be banned for TKing unless they turned around and started shooting the marines instead of the aliens in the other direction.


Whew, thats a lot of words!

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Post by: Mr.Bill on July 28, 2004, 07:39:22 PM

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I dont know about you guys, but even if I do stack I still lose, no matter what. and if I win it's by a strok of luck.

but you can be sure that if your on my team well go down mic spamming with hilrity all the wwy down.
 

perhaps your mic spamming is CAUSING the team to lose? EH?!?! EH!?!?!

come on, thats only when I comm and everyone knows it.


"I cant do ^^ all our damn comm is voice spamming too damn much"

me: OH GOD MY RT!! SAVE THE RT OH GOD!!!

others: oh, bills coming again... easy win.  :-D

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Post by: Kodiac on July 28, 2004, 08:09:03 PM

meh, my problem with "omg what team to join??" is that yeah, i'm a good player.  But more often than not, i forget whats going on and end up being a liability, not a help.  And this isnt just one of those "oh its a bad day i suck".  Its a " OH MY GORSH KODIAC HAS HIS NEGATIVE AIMBOT ON AND CANT HIT A STATIONARY SKULK TO SAVE HIS LIFE!!!"  thing.  So i ask before i join, "who wants me?" and that usually works.  (if/wehn teams are even) If loch is one team i join the other out of spite  :p  but me and asal have a problem, he sits 10 feet away and we can hear what each other say...so if hes aliens. then he hears EVERY word i say.  (not waht you say, but what i say)  Its rather straange, but it works.so yaeh, skill/team stacking is a recognized problem, but only induvidual players can do anything aobut it.  (without admin interference, of course)

besides, i like switching teams.  then no matter who wins i was/am on the winning team.

sorry about the rambling, happens when ever i write something

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Post by: fatty on July 28, 2004, 08:17:22 PM

the team with the fewest NCR is the one that i join  :D

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Post by: Guspaz on July 28, 2004, 08:26:05 PM

I don't use Random... because I go Alien 2/3 of the time. It's always been this way for 2 years, which is why I'm better at Alien than Marine.

Title: Bad Form
Post by: SwiftSpear on July 28, 2004, 08:44:11 PM

I rarely try to counter skillstacking, but when I do, that is the only time I don't use random (either way, I don't have the skill to counter a skillstack)

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Post by: EmperorPenguin on July 28, 2004, 10:57:18 PM

Personally, I do my best to balance the team skills by joining the better team  :p

I often random just because I make a habit of joining the smaller team.  I know with the calibre of players here that three or four on any team can have a big impact.  When the server has a lot of no-reserves, sometimes the reserves will tend to congregate.  But who doesn't want to play with the people they know and trust?

Just remember that it's the balanced and close games that are the most entertaining.

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Post by: Fewlio on July 29, 2004, 02:30:20 AM

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When the server has a lot of no-reserves, sometimes the reserves will tend to congregate.  But who doesn't want to play with the people they know and trust?

Just remember that it's the balanced and close games that are the most entertaining.

You figured out the reason for this topic! Ah-ha!

But yeah, if you're bad and you join the team with better players you're balancing the game too :D. But there always is the factor of the 'uber' players who are much better than your average player who tend to make a large difference even if the majority of their team is comprised of nublets :D.

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Post by: Leaderz0rz on July 29, 2004, 02:49:05 AM

when i join the stacked team, i'll crush myself under the hera reception door repeatedly

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Post by: Black Mage on July 29, 2004, 03:25:56 AM

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the team with the fewest NCR is the one that i join  :D

he said don't skillstack, not don't clanstack
ncrstax are unfair for the team ncr is on

is it bad that everyone wants to join rine when i say "oll bm si cornmando?"

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Post by: Cartman2b on July 29, 2004, 06:10:06 AM

No.. everyone joins marine when HD comms =]

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Post by: johnjacobjingle on July 29, 2004, 08:31:28 AM

lol leader, we must do this sometime, i didn't even think of it!  and i thought i knew all the stupid/silly ways to die!

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Post by: Anarki3x6 on July 29, 2004, 01:01:14 PM

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the team with the fewest NCR is the one that i join  :D

he said don't skillstack, not don't clanstack
ncrstax are unfair for the team ncr is on

is it bad that everyone wants to join rine when i say "oll bm si cornmando?"

yeah ... really... if you wanna see me run off like a moron and die suddenly then sure join the team im on :D

usually if teams are skill stacked i just leave cuz i dont wanna sit there 20 minutes waiting to die  ^_^

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Post by: Mr.Ben on July 29, 2004, 01:23:56 PM

I like play alien ONLY now with the exceptions of when i can't get onto aliens at all. Early lerk is one of the few enjoyable parts of this game. Either that or fading but i grew tired of that, it's either mop up lmg marines and go 50-1 or get to go fade 8 minutes in againist HA.

Title: Bad Form
Post by: holy_devil on July 29, 2004, 01:32:16 PM

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No.. everyone joins marine when HD comms =]

yea. and i'm beyond sick of that =/ its gotten so ridiculous with stacking that i've stopped comming altogether. so please shape up guys, i don't like not comming D:

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Post by: Sancho on July 29, 2004, 02:32:41 PM

I very rarely pick my own team on lunix.  I just wait for everyone to join, and then pick the team with the fewest players, or if there's a bunch of people standing in the func_jointeam, I jump in earlier.  Simple as that :p

Still, I notice a stacking problem quite often and its really quite lame.  Come on guys, give yourself a challenge, join the underdogs. <_<

/me misses BOP  :(

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Post by: Keyser59 on July 29, 2004, 03:07:55 PM

I usually play on the team that lost the previous round.

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Post by: Magmatron on July 29, 2004, 03:12:14 PM

Assuming I play, it's going to be aliens, regardless of the teams.

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Post by: fatty on July 29, 2004, 07:33:41 PM

NOOO NESS THAT WOULD DENY US OF YOUR COMMANDORING ON TEH MUURRRINE SIDE

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Post by: Dark on July 29, 2004, 08:33:53 PM

i go aliens a lot cause i've hated rines since like 1.03 where sieges fired without pinging or sighting; however, now i go rines when i feel like i need a challenge or if it is the team with less players.

One thing i don't like to see is when teh server is full of rs holders, which means all 17 slots are in use, that the aliens usually end up with 9 players when in reality the rines should have the 9th player not the aliens  <_<

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Post by: sonic on July 29, 2004, 09:21:31 PM

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(make fun of me all you want, you talk about mrs. owl, i get MAXIMUM cranky MAXIMUM quickly)

 

I sowwy  :(

Title: Bad Form
Post by: a civilian on July 30, 2004, 03:34:49 AM

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One thing i don't like to see is when teh server is full of rs holders, which means all 17 slots are in use, that the aliens usually end up with 9 players when in reality the rines should have the 9th player not the aliens  <_<

The aliens are as much entitled to the extra player in a 17 player game as the marines.  It is only in smaller games that the marines' need for a commander actually puts them at a disadvantage.

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Post by: Mr.Ben on July 30, 2004, 07:40:11 AM

Pssh, HD is an electric whore now. :(

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Post by: Dark on July 30, 2004, 08:38:17 AM

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One thing i don't like to see is when teh server is full of rs holders, which means all 17 slots are in use, that the aliens usually end up with 9 players when in reality the rines should have the 9th player not the aliens  <_<

The aliens are as much entitled to the extra player in a 17 player game as the marines.  It is only in smaller games that the marines' need for a commander actually puts them at a disadvantage.

it is not a big bother but one of the tiny things that i get over quickly a civ not like i say anything at all in game but at least if the rines had the 9th player they'ld have 8 people in field is all i was really saying ;)

Title: Bad Form
Post by: rad4Christ on July 30, 2004, 09:05:43 AM

If it was more than one line, I read it, and I agree. Skill stacking is an issue IMHO, and sometimes the attitudes/language makes it less than fun to continue playing. As far as the gentler sex thing, I haven't seen that in my experiences.

But LM is a great community, and although we have had some struggles, I want to say I'm proud to be associated with this community, and that for the most part, our "good form" shows through.

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Post by: Doobie Dan on July 30, 2004, 09:46:41 AM

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when i join the stacked team, i'll crush myself under the hera reception door repeatedly

Jumping off the landing pad is more efficient.

Anyway, isn't there any plugin that would allow admin_execall?  It'd be really nice if an admin was watching people join up in the readyroom, and if teams were looking stacked before the game started hit execall_readyroom then execall_random.  Or just execall_random the minute the map loads if the last game was stacked.

I seem to see a situation with 4 vets on one team and 0 on the other quite a bit.  :-\  With RS's it's not much of a problem cuz half of us are silly noobs anyways.

Title: Bad Form
Post by: BobTheJanitor on July 30, 2004, 09:55:45 AM

We used to have admin_forceteams. Some admins didn't like being forced on to teams, there was a big fight, blood was shed, bodies were buried in the garden. We no longer have admin_forceteams. Now let us never speak of this again.

*twitch*

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Post by: devicenull on July 30, 2004, 11:53:28 AM

Lets ripent all the maps, and put big walls infront of join marines and join aliens.. that would stop the noobs from stacking :)

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Post by: a civilian on July 30, 2004, 01:52:14 PM

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it is not a big bother but one of the tiny things that i get over quickly a civ not like i say anything at all in game but at least if the rines had the 9th player they'ld have 8 people in field is all i was really saying ;)

But in larger games the commander's ability to support his troops anywhere on the map offsets the fact that he cannot go out into the field himself.

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Post by: Slink on July 30, 2004, 02:02:27 PM

remember, you will most likely have more that 1 gorge.  It may not be permanent like a comm, but there's almost always atleast one on your team.  And gorges SHOULD be doing about as much individual combat as a commander.

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Post by: SwiftSpear on July 30, 2004, 04:34:43 PM

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remember, you will most likely have more that 1 gorge.  It may not be permanent like a comm, but there's almost always atleast one on your team.  And gorges SHOULD be doing about as much individual combat as a commander.

But I like running to the other side of the map when I know my gorges are in danger...  Just like every one else (apparently  :angry: )

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Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2004, 07:51:32 AM

I notice the odd bit of skill stacking but its not a colossal problem as it is on more notorious servers. Sure there's a couple of notorious names but to me that adds to the challenge.

In the final analysis, LMs the best server I play on and know of.

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Post by: Mr.Bill on August 03, 2004, 08:07:52 AM

I know people stax marines.... that why I comm, to help balance things out :-D

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Post by: Lito on August 03, 2004, 09:30:38 AM

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remember, you will most likely have more that 1 gorge.  It may not be permanent like a comm, but there's almost always atleast one on your team.  And gorges SHOULD be doing about as much individual combat as a commander.

Perma gorging does NOT help unless you've got a sizable number of res nodes up so that you've got decent res flow coming in.  Otherwise you're sitting there soaking up res, not contributing offensively or defensively.  You're just free 1 - 3 rfk.

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Post by: Asal on August 03, 2004, 09:47:21 AM

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remember, you will most likely have more that 1 gorge.  It may not be permanent like a comm, but there's almost always atleast one on your team.  And gorges SHOULD be doing about as much individual combat as a commander.

Perma gorging does NOT help unless you've got a sizable number of res nodes up so that you've got decent res flow coming in.  Otherwise you're sitting there soaking up res, not contributing offensively or defensively.  You're just free 1 - 3 rfk.

I beg to differ.  You may not be out there getting your own RFK,  but you're mobile, you can see what's going on from a different view, and you can also heal up nearby skulks/fades/onoses.  Especcially for skulks, this can mean the difference between a hard-fought battle and a slaughter.  Also, you save those 10 res you'll need later to re-gorge.  It just requires patience and a willingness to NOT kill for a little while.  However, when times get rough, stick your fat butt in the middle.  The gorge is tough enough to hang in there. Don't underestimate your fat friends  :angry:

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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 03, 2004, 10:02:27 AM

A mad suicidal gorge can do wonders, but it's all about psychological warfare. There's a chemical in EVERY marine's head (I think they put something in their nano-food) that makes them forget all else and go into a killing rage when they see a gorge. Something about that cute wiggly gorge butt fuels their blood drenched rage. A marine would cross hot burning coals and dance over the heads of an army of skulks, just to knife a gorgey. So, abuse that fact. Hang out with a skulk. Even if the skulk can't ambush very well, all he has to do is hang over a door or something and wait. When the marine comes by, have the gorge drop a chamber and start building it. That's the trigger for the marines. They say "AHHH GORGE, MUST SLAUGHTER WITH KNIFEY!" and go charging. Free skulk kill. Chuckle, healspray, repeat.

Title: Bad Form
Post by: Mr.Bill on August 03, 2004, 10:17:47 AM

most times ill just go for gorge because I know thats 10 more res then what a skulks worth.. most times ill aim  on what hurts their res flow

gorge - onos - skulk - in random area, go for onos unless everyones getting wne by skulk

gorge - onos - skulk - in hive area, go for gorge, because if hes waiting to put up that hvie its ten more res for him.

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Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2004, 11:43:17 AM

Yeah I find permagorging to be obsolete nowadays. Worked better in 2.0, now I find myself going back to skulk and making some kills in order to get the res up to drop more stuff.

You effectively lose 10 res because you have to evolve back to gorge, but you're more disposable. Staying as gorge does mean I can follow the troops with the healspam, but since nearly everyone goes DC first, and then evolves regen, it does make the gorge something of a fifth wheel.


I totally agree that gorges are good ways of distracting rines - drop a few OCs near an empty hive and some comms will just siege it. Can be handy for draining their obs before you rush an empty base.



Best tag team I've seen is gorge and Onos. It virtually guarantees Onos immortality, and if the Onos stomps marines for easy spitkills it means the gorge can drop DC and MC everywhere in order to fuel the big push for MS.

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Post by: Doobie Dan on August 04, 2004, 10:39:55 AM

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Best tag team I've seen is gorge and Onos. It virtually guarantees Onos immortality, and if the Onos stomps marines for easy spitkills it means the gorge can drop DC and MC everywhere in order to fuel the big push for MS.

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Worst tag team ever.  The amount a gorge healspray heals an Onos is negligible compared to regen.  What usually happens is the Onos getting gunned down because he tried to run away and tripped on the Gorge.

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Post by: Mr.Ben on August 04, 2004, 01:12:08 PM

I think the best tag team ever is onos and onos  v_v

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Post by: Magmatron on August 04, 2004, 01:45:25 PM

Let's try to keep this from becoming obscenely off-topic, please.

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Post by: Necrosis on August 04, 2004, 03:07:24 PM

Blocking could be considered bad form, I've seen Onos camp outside a base and simply refuse to rush in. When they do enter, every other skulk on the map rushes in behind them. When the Onos trys to flee, they hit the skulks, who had assumed a base rush was happening.


Always try and coordinate the IN door and the OUT door. Saves a lot of hassle.







BTW, Gorge/Onos combo naturally assumes the Onos is not an idiot and has chosen Regen. He'll just heal an awful lot faster with regen, healspam, and 3 dcs beside him. Second, the gorge can't be behind the onos because if he's trying to take advantage of Onos stomp to get spit kills then he should be BESIDE the Onos. Durr.

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Post by: Black Mage on August 06, 2004, 11:13:39 PM

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We used to have admin_forceteams. Some admins didn't like being forced on to teams, there was a big fight, blood was shed, bodies were buried in the garden. We no longer have admin_forceteams. Now let us never speak of this again.

*twitch*

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the plugin that has admin_marine, admin_alien and admin_f4 should also have two more commands
admin_random and admin_autoteam.
admin_random will force all players to join a random team if they lack access to the command admin_random (ie no admins will be forced, also spectators are left methinks)
admin_autoream requires higher access and puts everybody ingame who is not currently on the floor fighting

i try to go to the stacked against team unless someone wants me to comm ^^

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Post by: Satiagraha on August 07, 2004, 10:22:06 AM

People didn't like the BoP because they are team-biased. Some people only play on the aliens and some people only play on the marines. If everyone just went random all the time, nobody would care if they were forced into the game.

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Post by: Black Mage on August 07, 2004, 01:57:54 PM

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People didn't like the BoP because they are team-biased. Some people only play on the aliens and some people only play on the marines. If everyone just went random all the time, nobody would care if they were forced into the game.

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well, admin_random and _autoteam both have timers and a somewhat noticeable csay. plenty of time to spam a jointeam command

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Post by: Uranium - 235 on August 08, 2004, 12:11:11 AM

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People didn't like the BoP because they are team-biased. Some people only play on the aliens and some people only play on the marines. If everyone just went random all the time, nobody would care if they were forced into the game.

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Neg. Forceteams was abused by certain admins every single game. You'd load the map and *POWIE* you're on a team. I'd barely even be able to figure out what map I was playing and *WHAMMO* I'm a marine. Coupled with the fact that some admins would turn off forceteams for themselves and STILL use it (so they'd abuse everyone else and let themselves decide their own team) made me complain enough to get it removed.