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The Ready Room => General => Topic started by: JimRaynor on August 16, 2004, 01:06:10 AM

Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: JimRaynor on August 16, 2004, 01:06:10 AM: I keep going back to the the natural-selection.org website expecting that Flayra has posted when he is going to bring out the next update to NS and I've yet to see any news about it. I'm sure someone probably has a link on hand to point directly to Flayra saying the exact day he plans on putting it out but I figured everyone was probably wondering. At this point it is starting to look like Flayra has been working on half-life too long, he's starting to get Sierra symptons. Delays and the like. I hope we don't have to wait a year like we have had to for HL2.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: SwiftSpear on August 16, 2004, 02:59:47 AM: They secretly told all the LM regs what day the update would be... Weren't you there??

OOHHh, your not a reg, go figure :p
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Clashen on August 16, 2004, 04:58:55 AM: Quote
They secretly told all the LM regs what day the update would be... Weren't you there??

OOHHh, your not a reg, go figure :p
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Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Isamil on August 16, 2004, 03:00:04 PM: NS beta 5 will be released on September 30th, 2003
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 16, 2004, 03:03:45 PM: Let me be the first to say: A MONTH AND A HALF? AUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: devicenull on August 16, 2004, 03:09:20 PM: Let me be the first to say: HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FIX A SINGLE BUG, FFS

Yea, it was supposed to be released two weeks ago, and its being released in a month..

OMGWTFBBQ
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Major Chrome on August 16, 2004, 03:17:24 PM: Where did you hear that Isamil? I'm a PT and I haven't heard of that.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Necrosis on August 16, 2004, 04:12:47 PM: Isa's dating Flay. Its just pillow talk, baby.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: a civilian on August 16, 2004, 04:42:38 PM: Quote
NS beta 5 will be released on September 30th, 2003
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In other words, it will be released 10.5 months ago.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 16, 2004, 05:33:43 PM: You win at paying attention. I lose, except at the game called 'find something random and yell about it really loud'. I always win at that game.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: devicenull on August 16, 2004, 05:42:44 PM: I'm not even sure I'm going to resume playing NS again.. I'm pretty sick of its development cycle.. wait a year not telling anyone anything, then give us a release date and miss it by a few months, I would rather not hear anything about it, and one day have a new release.. rather then being disappointed at every release date so far.
Then again, most products seem to be like that.... *sigh*
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Redford on August 17, 2004, 02:49:16 AM: To be perfectly honest, bugs keep popping up. Keep looking.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Isamil on August 17, 2004, 04:30:25 AM: Do you remember what was going to come out on September 30th, 2003?
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Major Chrome on August 17, 2004, 07:41:57 AM: Bah, I thought I read 2004.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Diablus on August 17, 2004, 08:38:59 AM: Quote
Bah, I thought I read 2004.
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Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: FireWater on August 17, 2004, 08:55:30 AM: Quote
I keep going back to the the natural-selection.org website expecting that Flayra has posted when he is going to bring out the next update to NS and I've yet to see any news about it. I'm sure someone probably has a link on hand to point directly to Flayra saying the exact day he plans on putting it out but I figured everyone was probably wondering. At this point it is starting to look like Flayra has been working on half-life too long, he's starting to get Sierra symptons. Delays and the like. I hope we don't have to wait a year like we have had to for HL2.
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Playtests are happening on a frequent basis, to fix a lot of unknown bugs, and potentially damaging bugs that can have a serious effect on gameplay.

If the version were released now you would be complaining more than if it wasn't.

Please be paitent, we are trying to get the game so it is fair and playable.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: devicenull on August 17, 2004, 11:00:09 AM: Actually, I would prefer bugs to unbalanced gameplay

This new beta should fix a lot of bugs that we have been dealing with..And we are used to dealing with bugs, so why not give us b5 so we can find more bugs to be fixed.. Bugs are not something we aren't used to..
Just give us SOMETHING to work with, or don't tell us anything at all. Had b5 just popped up one day, with no advance notice, it would be better then, "Okay we will release this date".. then delay for a month or two

v_v
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: -Lancer- on August 17, 2004, 11:05:40 AM: Quote
Let me be the first to say: A MONTH AND A HALF? AUUUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Seconded <_<
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: That Annoying Kid on August 17, 2004, 12:43:43 PM: I waited during the 1.04 era for 2.0, I can wait for anything
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: johnjacobjingle on August 18, 2004, 08:50:00 AM: Quote
I waited during the 1.04 era for 2.0, I can wait for anything
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seconded.

anyone who remembers the wait for 2.0 will realize that this is nothing.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Legionnaired on August 18, 2004, 10:04:11 AM: Quote
Do you remember what was going to come out on September 30th, 2003?
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HL2?
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Malevolent on August 18, 2004, 10:06:33 AM: It's a conspiracy Legion. The dev team and Valve have been working on it for years now. :p
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: SwiftSpear on August 19, 2004, 12:38:29 AM: Man, the NS devs give the public a few consectutive releases and all of a sudden their getting all hell... What ever happened to the good old, "its done when its done" days?
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: JimRaynor on August 19, 2004, 12:56:21 AM: I just want to state that I'm not really 'complaining' about it being late, just curious when its coming out. And to reply to the comment about delays and the like; the fact is that no matter how you slice it games will always be delayed from here to eternity, it started happening a decade ago as we know because before that there weren't release dates to follow, most people didn't even know what games were coming out but now its just that the entertainment industry has become fixated on creating buzz about anything that might become popular, hl2, unreal2, Doom3, homeworld2, avp, movies are just the same, if anyone followed the release of avp the movie it was also delayed and was almost delayed again just two weeks before the release. The lead show at mans(?) chineese thearter was cancelled at the last minute because they said they weren't ready with the FX but they still released it on time, too early in my opinion, even though I enjoyed the movie alright. Sky Captain was also supposed to come out a lot sooner than its now 'supposed' release date. I know that its expected to deal with delays on anything movie or game that might even just be hyped a lot and turn out to fizzle. I never expected to get the new NS release on time, but that doesn't mean I don't wanna know when its 'actually' going to come out. I'm sure most of us agree though; if you are unsure about the date don't say it at all...
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: devicenull on August 19, 2004, 08:57:46 AM: Quote
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I waited during the 1.04 era for 2.0, I can wait for anything
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seconded.

anyone who remembers the wait for 2.0 will realize that this is nothing.
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Iirc, 2.0 didn't provide a release date, then miss it by a month... they just didn't tell us anything ;)
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: johnjacobjingle on August 19, 2004, 12:11:31 PM: dev, actually i think they gave us a release date for 1.05 or something, then decided on the release date because of all the changes they were gonna make(but hadn't done yet) they were gonna cahnge the name, and wiat a long ass time before they released it.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: a civilian on August 19, 2004, 02:04:24 PM: Quote
dev, actually i think they gave us a release date for 1.05 or something, then decided on the release date because of all the changes they were gonna make(but hadn't done yet) they were gonna cahnge the name, and wiat a long ass time before they released it.
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It was 1.1; and no, they never gave a release date.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Magmatron on August 19, 2004, 03:49:10 PM: Meh, when I asked Flayra if beta5 would make the game worthwhile again, and wouldn't just consist of bug fixes, I got this answer:

<Flayra|nsinvitational> There are some big balance changes too but we're going to PT them first before I announce.

Guess we'll see. Who knows, some of these balance changes might make the game interesting for me again. Granted, probably not.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: SwiftSpear on August 19, 2004, 04:12:09 PM: They were toying with the idea of unchaining the chambers for beta five... That would take some fairly massive rebalancing to say the least... Blame the UCC nubs for the delays!
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: JHunz on August 19, 2004, 08:25:58 PM: Quote
Man, the NS devs give the public a few consectutive releases and all of a sudden their getting all hell... What ever happened to the good old, "its done when its done" days?
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You can't give a release date for beta 5 then go back to talking about "it's done when it's done". YOu don't get it both ways
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: SwiftSpear on August 21, 2004, 02:42:18 AM: Quote
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Man, the NS devs give the public a few consectutive releases and all of a sudden their getting all hell... What ever happened to the good old, "its done when its done" days?
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You can't give a release date for beta 5 then go back to talking about "it's done when it's done". YOu don't get it both ways
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IIRC beta five was supposed to be nearly compleatly bug fixes at the time the release date was given (just before Voog and Zun were announced as new team members I think). Not long after that they decided to make several substantial gameplay changes due to input from the new team members. Beta five may or may not look totally different from every build of this game we have seen to date, and almost definitely won't be just a collection of bug fixes it was originally going to be, thus when the project changes all release dates are instantly invalidated.

It would be nice if they would just come out and say it the way I did though, I can see how many people whould become confused quite easily...
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Malibu Stacey on August 21, 2004, 08:10:37 PM: Personally I think with beta 5 they're aiming to get it ship shape for a 3.0 final release as since the WON auth servers were closed down there isn't a current playable final release of NS from the dev team.

Some days the bugs in beta 4a really annoy me but the more time they put into testing beta 5 before releasing it into the wild means having to suffer less bugs when we get our hands on it plus if its true they're attempting to add some balance changes aswell then its all good (couldn't care less about unchaining chambers though).

I remember the wait between v1.1 being announced & 2.0 finally being released and I can honestly say it was well worth the wait. I've yet to see an example of a product which was rushed out to end users actually being any good.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Zek on August 21, 2004, 09:30:22 PM: Is there a specific reason why Beta 5 has gotta be the Steam release? I was under the impression that only a few difficult bugs were blocking release almost a month ago, but it's clear they decided to go a little further with the patch than previously planned. If we were going to be waiting that long for these changes anyway, why didn't they just release their bugfix patch and then call Beta 6 the big release patch?
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: FireWater on August 22, 2004, 12:45:29 AM: I would like to tell you more about the beta 5 release, but I cannot, Zunni issued a hush hush policy.

All I can say is that it is worth the wait.

This is nothing compared to the wait from 1.04 to 2.01, atleast this verision is semi-fair regarding both teams.

The programmers are working hard, so please be paitent.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Necrosis on August 22, 2004, 01:46:04 AM: I think anyone following the bugtracker can appreciate the sheer amount of fixes going into the release.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Satiagraha on August 22, 2004, 02:37:14 PM: Quote
All I can say is that it is worth the wait.
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Does this have anything to do with the (cat)BUS? :huh:
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: FireWater on August 23, 2004, 01:53:53 AM: Quote
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All I can say is that it is worth the wait.
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Does this have anything to do with the (cat)BUS? :huh:
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I can't say anything else or I lose my PT spot =/
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: SwiftSpear on August 24, 2004, 04:30:09 AM: Quote
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All I can say is that it is worth the wait.
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Does this have anything to do with the (cat)BUS? :huh:
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I can't say anything else or I lose my PT spot =/
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If the answer was no you could have said no :p

Now I feel kindof bad for pointing that out :( Please don't get mad at our firewater, it was our fault for using psycology on him.
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Satiagraha on August 24, 2004, 07:24:31 PM: Swift! no! You pointed out my ADVANZORZD SYKOLOGY!

Erm.. well... maybe it wasn't so "advanzorzd"...

Rad's post on NS update (http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1889)
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: TyrNemesis^ on August 27, 2004, 04:02:51 AM: We'll release it when it's done!

/me dodges incoming anti-tyr fire

No, seriously. There's nothing we'd like better than to release beta 5 RIGHT NOW! But we won't do so UNTIL IT'S DONE!

Omg, that answer sucks, i know, but until you participate in software development, you don't realize that WHEN IT'S DONE is the only honest answer to "when will it be released?".

Be patient, it'll be worth it!
Title: What Is With The Update Of Ns
Post by: Mr.Ben on August 27, 2004, 08:38:22 AM: Let us just hope the entire NS community hasn't tired and moved on before that happens :p