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The Ready Room => Off Topic => Topic started by: Malevolent on December 17, 2003, 05:46:31 PM
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This thread contains SPOILERS! Turn back now if you don't want to read them![/size][/i]
PLEASE LABEL ANY SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT
So I just seen it early today and thought it was good. I can't decide if I like the first movie better than this one or not. I definitely like this one better than the second. I thought the ending dragged on a little too much, even though it was representing the book correctly.
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Everything was accurate except for Aragorn using the dead to fight in the actual battle of Minas Tirith, since in the book he just uses them to drive off the enemy forces on the ships they sail with. Aragorn musters up an army of men on his way to the battle to actually use to fight.
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Besides those two things, it was about perfect. So what did you guys think about it? Better than the others?
HunzEdit: BBcode doesn't work in titles/subtitles
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I don't feel like getting my book out and also haven't seen the movie, but is it indeed true that
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[size=8]Aragorn and Aeowyn get married in the movie?[/size]
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I don't feel like whipping out the ol' book right now, but I can't recall this as happening in the actual book. :p Can anybody help me out?
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Ahem.
in the books it is Eowyn and Faramir who get married, now that Faramir doesn't have to be a steward of Gondor.
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In the book, Eowyn and Faramir do get married, but the movie does hint at this. In the movie Aragorn and Arwen get married, just like in the book.
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P.S. You don't have to make the spoiler that obvious.
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In the book, Eowyn and Faramir do get married, but the movie does hint at this. In the movie Aragorn and Arwen get married, just like in the book.
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P.S. You don't have to make the spoiler that obvious.
SPOILER CONVO FOR THE ELITISTS WHO SAW THE MOVIE:
yes it did... it showed em all lubby dubby in the croud watching aragorn get crowned king. so i kinda gathered they liked eachother.
i thought the movie was darn accurate, with the exception of the scouring of the shire and the undead thing... but even tho they werent, who cares? it would be boring if it were exactly like the book cuz we'd all know how it would go. so some new things are okay i guess.
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Well, it appears that I've mixed "Eowyn" and "Arwen" into a single character. Duuhhh......oops ^^
Thanks for clearing that up Smoke, my brother fom another mother. Malevolent too. You can be my official cousin.
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Spoiler request:
How did Saruman fare? Did he get any scenes at all? If so, which ones?
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yes, i'm not sure why tolkien has some names so freaknig alike, like Saruman and Sauron, and Eowyn and Aarwyn :) the first is the horse rider princess chickie doo, and the second is the elvish princess.
jeebus, the elephants were sooo coool. thought the movie was awesoem, they were quite faithful to the book , at least, from waht i could remember. just a few details/chapters left out or changed. but even up to merry stabbing the nazgul king in the calf, sheesh, eggscellent :)
i really appreciated it all, the sets,the costumes, the CG cities. all incredible. sooo worth it :D
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The...Mamalukil.
Better called: Olliphaunts.
I'm re-reading RotK right now so this is all fresh in my mind.
Arwen, not Aarwyn.
Remember, Extended Edition will most likely make it more true to the book then any theatrical release.
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What was "Arwen" called in the book? I can't seem to remember that, either. Alls I know is that Arwen's character (or at least the character that saved Frodo's bacon after Weathertop) in the first book was a guy.
Somebody back me up here. I ain't crazy, am I? :blink:
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Is it true that Ashton Kutcher is in the ROTK.
Frodo: The ring , something something , the ring
Gollum: precious precios
Sam: Hey wait this isn't the ring
Ashton: you just got punk'd
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What was "Arwen" called in the book? I can't seem to remember that, either. Alls I know is that Arwen's character (or at least the character that saved Frodo's bacon after Weathertop) in the first book was a guy.
Somebody back me up here. I ain't crazy, am I? :blink:
You are perfectly sane. In the book, if I'm not mistaken, an elf male named Glorfindel (or something close to that) actually saves Frodo. So you're right.
Arwen is called Arwen in the book, but she has some elvish name probably too.
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Oops. I suppose an amendment is in order - Arwen did exist in the book (duh). However, it was Glorfindel (a completely separate character) that saved Frodo and Co.
Thanks again, Malevolent ^^
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Yup no problem.
Since LB kindly edited my subtitle and said that there's spoilers, you don't need to label your spoilers anymore. Woohoo!
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They decided to make it a little less boring (the movies compared to the books) and they beefed up Arwen's involvement, which was cool.
Cuz Liv Taylor is hot. Like, I'd leave the girlfriend for Liv Taylor hot.
In other news: "That still only counts as one"
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They didn't get married in ROTK but they did in 'The Sillmarillion' I believe, which Jackson did incorporate parts of into the movies. The Silmarillion was about Arwen / Aragorn romance thing going on.
BTW: I'm not sure what the point of labeling this 'spoilers' was. If you've read the books it 'spoils' the movie, but if you haven't read the books, well, what the :Ding hell is wrong with you? :)
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Two things that a friend of mine and I have been arguing over since we saw the movie:
What is the name of the race of wraiths, and what is the name of the race of flying drake things they ride in RotK?
What numbers did Legolas get to while counting? I swear I heard him say "34...35...", but my friend says that in that same scene (before he does the stuff on the elephant) he said "90-something...90-something-plus-1...".
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Nazgûl are humans, they're the kings that took the 9 rings given to the them by Sauron.
The flying 'drake' things didn't have names:
"The great shadow descended like a falling cloud. And behold! it was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank. A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil. And the Dark Lord took it, and nursed it with fell meats, until it grew beyond the measure of all things that fly; and he gave it to his servant to be his steed. Down, down it came, and then, folding its fingered webs, it gave a croadking cry, and settled upon the body of Snowmane, digging in its claws, stooping its long naked neck.
Upon it sat a shape, black-mantled, huge and threatening. A crown of steel he bore, but between rim and robe naught was there to see, save only a deadly gleam of eyes: the Lord of the Nazgûl."
BTW: Smoke, they're called 'mûmakil', not 'mammalkill' ;)
Now if you want controversy...
Why didn't Frodo just hitch a ride on an Eagle to begin with, all the way to mordor, toss the ring in, and fly back? They completely pwnt the Luftwaffe of Mordor, Sarumon couldn't stop them, what the hell!
BTW: IMO the ROTK movie was infinately better then the book. I can't say the same about the other two, but I never liked ROTK book... Frankly, Tolkien is the most horrid descriptor or battles ever :D He goes off on these ass-long tangents about which way the flags are blowing...
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Well one reason Frodo didn't get the eagles' help in the beginning is because the eagles have their own will (but Gandalf has some influence). Also, who's to say that the eagle wouldn't just get shot down by archers; the Eye would probably also notice.
On the Wringwaiths/Nazgûl, I thought their race was mentioned in the books (what nationality of human they were). For some reason I'm leaning to Numenor (sp?). In the movie they did an awesome job on the Lord of the Nazgûl's death.
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On the Wringwaiths/Nazgûl, I thought their race was mentioned in the books (what nationality of human they were). For some reason I'm leaning to Numenor (sp?). In the movie they did an awesome job on the Lord of the Nazgûl's death.
There were 9 kings that were giving the rings, I'd imagine that they came from all over, not just from one part of Middle Earth.
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am i going crazy, or didn't Frodo and Sam and everyone else return to the Shire and there was a bunch of thugs and stuff ruling? And they lead the hobbits to defeat them and then everyone is happy?
And also, in the book did Frodo and Gandalf sail away across the ocean with the elves?
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Yeah, when they returned to the Shire in the book, they had to fight to get it back from Saruman.
And yes, Frodo sailed across in the book, but it doesn't mention that Sam did. In the appendices, I'm pretty sure that it says that Sam eventually goes over, but the reason he can is because he did carry the ring for a short time.
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Where did they go at the end of the book? I was very confused.
And it's quite good that they didn't have to fight for the Shire, it definitely would not have fitted.
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Like I said, I hated ROTK the book. The whole reclaiming the shire didn't fit. They destroyed the ring, everyone's happy, GG, then oh darn, here's some last minute fighting. Meh.
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Where did they go at the end of the book? I was very confused.
And it's quite good that they didn't have to fight for the Shire, it definitely would not have fitted.
Frodo, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, Celeborn, etc. went to the Grey Havens at the end of the movie. I thought it was rather odd that they showed it, but didn't explain where they were going. The Grey Havens is a place across the sea that isn't part of Middle-earth (if you read the Silmarillion, it explains how Middle-earth was created, and if I'm not mistaken [I haven't finished this book yet] the Grey Havens is/was where the Ainur, who helped form the world with the blessing of Illuvatar, lived). Anyway, the Elves are going to the Havens because it is the end of their Age, and a new one is beginning.
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Wasn't it also known as Valinor or Valindor?
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they were the 9 kings of men meaning the wraiths were once human =3
now they're just called 'ring wraiths' or nazgul or whatever.
I liked the books and 3rd film, the 2nd was ok and the 1st film was actually more boring than the book to me... I was kinda miffed they missed out some bits i really liked; tom bombadil saving them from the wights of barrow down, old mr willow, meeting the elves on the road, etc ^^
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The "Scouring of the Shire" chapter was actually filmed, and will indeed be in the special extended edition widescreen release :) It just wasn't included in the theatrical release, as the actor who played Sarumon left the cast. My best guess is that Jackson didn't think the scene important enough, and would have rather removed it than faced the fanboy "OMG! Diffarent actar!!1!" firestorm.
Also from what I gather, many of the more poetic and otherwise 'confusing' scenes were never filmed (The Tom Bombadil episode, for example). I suppose they were simply seen as far too obscure and ethereal-feeling to warrant inclusion in the movies. Admit it - the barrow Down scene was quite poetic and whatnot, and definitely wouldn't have translated well on screen ^^
And last, the Gray Haven is more of another poetic-ish reference, it seems to me. It is less of a physical thing than a concept - perhaps one of heaven or an afterlife. To me, the Gray haven represents a timeless place where the chosen children of the Illuvatar go after their era has ended in Middle Earth. I urge you not to look at it in such a physical sensee - it seems to fit a far more philosophical purpose rather than a rational one.
Oh yeah. my verdict on the movie? The emotion was too drawn out in many places, nearly making me gag. My only other complaint was the lack of respect for ol' Samwise - Middle Earth would have been totally fux0red without little Sam. <3
And who comes out the hero? That weak bastard Frodo!
All in all, a very worthy movie and a great ending to a great trilogy.
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Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
The reason is that men are so corruptible. Isildur was instantly consumed by the power of the ring itself. The 9 rings given to the humans were just extensions of Sauron's power to feed on them until there was nothing left but their corruption and servitude to the power of the Ring.
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The one thing that bugs me the most about all of this LotR stuff:
There isn't a decent picture of the Balrog from the movie anywhere!
Theres even a whole collection of images dedicated to Moria on the LotR site, but theres no Balrog!
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Jackson totally ruined Gimli as well. The books show him as a stalwort brave fighter, the Jackson had everyone treat him like the retarded kid in school.
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actually, the thing that bothered me about Gimli in the film was that they almost totally took out the parts that show how much he was 'anti-elf' in the beginning and more importantly; his change of attitude with the lady of lorien. In the film he just comes off as a little gruff then loves the elves to bits with no real transission =/
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The one thing that bugs me the most about all of this LotR stuff:
There isn't a decent picture of the Balrog from the movie anywhere!
Theres even a whole collection of images dedicated to Moria on the LotR site, but theres no Balrog!
Well if you stop by Barnes & Noble quickly and pick up a book called The Lord of the Rings: The Art of the Fellowship of the Ring, they have a nice section dedicated to the Balrog, plus a ton of other concept drawings and pictures of models of everything in that film. I suppose they also have one for The Two Towers.
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Yep - I've read through the Art of the Two Towers book :) It's got an entire section devoted to the Balrog.
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Oh yeah, it would be in there too because it's in the beginning of the film. Forgot about that. I should pick it up tomorrow when I go shopping (Christmas money :D).
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Meh. I like "the scouring of the shire", for exactly the same reasons that Uranium doesn't. If the entire thing had instantly ended with the destruction of the ring, it would've smelled of Deus ex Machina far too much.
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Well if you stop by Barnes & Noble quickly and pick up a book called The Lord of the Rings: The Art of the Fellowship of the Ring, they have a nice section dedicated to the Balrog, plus a ton of other concept drawings and pictures of models of everything in that film.
Yea, but I'm looking for something online that I can use in Photoshop and such, for little creations that I create for the random hell of it.
On a side note, rather off topic: Grr at my mom. I asked her a couple of hours ago if we had any double 'a' batteries, cause I needed a couple for my digital camera. Now, she came to me asking me if I had any spare double 'a' batteries. WTH!?
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Well if you stop by Barnes & Noble quickly and pick up a book called The Lord of the Rings: The Art of the Fellowship of the Ring, they have a nice section dedicated to the Balrog, plus a ton of other concept drawings and pictures of models of everything in that film.
Yea, but I'm looking for something online that I can use in Photoshop and such, for little creations that I create for the random hell of it.
On a side note, rather off topic: Grr at my mom. I asked her a couple of hours ago if we had any double 'a' batteries, cause I needed a couple for my digital camera. Now, she came to me asking me if I had any spare double 'a' batteries. WTH!?
Yeah, it wouldn't work for that, unless you or you know someone who's scanner you could use real quick.
As the the other thing, that's quite funny. :lol:
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goodness, i thought i was pretty geeky from reading just those books, but i realize i am NOTHIGN compared to you fanbois, NOTHINK!!!! i am ASHAMED!!! VERY VERY ASHAMED!!!
*rolls 1d4 for shame saving throw*
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It's supposed to be a d20 die ;)
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It's supposed to be a d20 die ;)
Maybe I missed something, but wth are you talking about?
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It's supposed to be a d20 die ;)
Maybe I missed something, but wth are you talking about?
Hint:
(http://www.wizardtower.com/images/dice.jpg)
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Hey Lmaofighter: nice *snicker* collection you've got going there *snicker*....
Jesus....what am I talking about. I actually own a few of those deep red dies with gold lettering....
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bleh.... my pearl dice collection is way prettier than those. Used to spend more time admiring them than rolling them; made playing games take a bit longer than usual =3
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Ph34r... I own the one on the top-right
(http://www.abookorgame.com/reviews/dice/images/opaque-100-die-a.jpg)
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*gasps*
The almighty d100.
Never had one of thems....*ogles* :huh:
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Hey Lmaofighter: nice *snicker* collection you've got going there *snicker*....
I don't think those are his, the link for the images says its from some kind of gaming site or something.
On a random side thing, here is my rather minimal collection of dice. The one in the center is my current favorite. Although you can't really tell, its got the Mirroding expansion symbol (from Magic: The Gathering) on it where the 20 would be. I've also got one with the Scourge expansion symbol, and another with a Lotus symbol. And yes, those are Altoids tins the dice are in.
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I've got lots and lots of joob-joobs ^^
For those not in the know; joob-joobs are the glass beads used in some games as counters or for decorating stuff like in vases and things. Joob-joobs rock XD
I also like saying joob-joob ^~
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Hey Lmaofighter: nice *snicker* collection you've got going there *snicker*....
I don't think those are his, the link for the images says its from some kind of gaming site or something.
Well, I figured that it would be funnier to rip into him than to make it known that he actually visits "www.wizardtower.com" :lol: :lol:
[size=8]joob-joob[/size]
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Ahhh, there's so many dice. I never knew people collected dice.
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Well, not just collecting for the sake of collecting - collecting for the sake of games such as Dungeons and Dragons and the like. :rolleyes: :p
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I also have a one-sided die... a marble I etched a big '1' into... :)
Finally there's my two sided die, a penny I heated and cooled to clear it of all visible markings and turned it gold by dunking it in boiling HCl. Then I engraved a '1' and '2' on it :) People ask funny questions about it....
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Well, not just collecting for the sake of collecting - collecting for the sake of games such as Dungeons and Dragons and the like. :rolleyes: :p
But still, collecting. How do you even get the dice? (Pardon my not playing Dungeons and Dragons ignorance)
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You can buy them at your local geekpit (A.K.A Comic Book/Miniature/Cardshop) ^^
You just walk up to the (usually) hefty fella behind the counter and ask. There are also sets of different kinds of dies that you can get, as showcased by Rooflefighter.
:help:
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Well, actually I just googled 'dice', I've never heard of the site that has that image. My own collection of twenty-odd dice is nowhere near that impressive. I have twenty-five (or so) joob-joobs myself (though I did not know them under that name. I like "glass beads", or as I refer to them in the rare cases that I play Magic: "My precious lifestones! Noooo..."). Alongside my die collection, I also have a 4x9 box of d6. I don't consider them part of the collection, as enlarging your collection by buying thirty-six similar dice smells of cheating too much.
Why buy dice? Are you mad? WHY NOT?
He who dies with most dice, wins.
Oh, and thank you guys (smell the sarcasm?) for resurrecting a past addition of mine. Off to the geekpit I go, to part with my money. I can see the happy expression in Dirk's eyes already...
Oh right, that reminds me: I'm not a geek just because I know that the name of the eldest employee of the geekpit (this particular geekpit is called Gandalph (and yes, it is far older than the movies (omg, so many parentheses (or is that parenthesises (omg, even more!)?) inside each other!)). I'm doomed, ain't I?) is called Dirk and have a friend who plays DDR and console games with him regularly, am I?
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this particular geekpit is called Gandalph (and yes, it is far older than the movies)
You lose infinity billion geek-points for that blunder, you preppy I-shower-with-other-men jock.
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Oh, and thank you guys (smell the sarcasm?) for resurrecting a past addition of mine. Off to the geekpit I go, to part with my money. I can see the happy expression in Dirk's eyes already...
Oh right, that reminds me: I'm not a geek just because I know that the name of the eldest employee of the geekpit (this particular geekpit is called Gandalph (and yes, it is far older than the movies (omg, so many parentheses (or is that parenthesises (omg, even more!)?) inside each other!)). I'm doomed, ain't I?) is called Dirk and have a friend who plays DDR and console games with him regularly, am I?
no....*snigger*......of course not.... :p
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I'm not a geek just because I know that the name of the eldest employee of the geekpit (this particular geekpit is called Gandalph (and yes, it is far older than the movies (omg, so many parentheses (or is that parenthesises (omg, even more!)?) inside each other!)). I'm doomed, ain't I?)
this, GOOOLD BABAY!! GOOOOOLD :D
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He who dies with most dice, wins.
Blantant rip-off of Infinitum's sig.
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You lose infinity billion geek-points for that blunder, you preppy I-shower-with-other-men jock.
Why? I meant to say that the shop existed before LotR became "fashionable". Back when the shop was opened, only the books existed, so only about one fifth of the world population knew about the name.
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He who dies with most dice, wins.
Blantant rip-off of Infinitum's sig.
So you think Inf made that l'il gem up, eh? :rolleyes:
That joke's as old as the hills. As it were, lmfao and Inf both ripped it off. ^^
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I'll take your word for it. Well now that I think about it, I guess I have heard it before; but I haven't heard it i awhile I guess, so I forgot.
On another note, we started talking about dice, but it was about RotK.
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Found this rather amusing, relating to our new topic in this thread.
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I lost my cool sparkly dice when I put them in a bag I later learned had a hole in it.
Actually I lost about 50 more dice in addition :( I went home and cried myself to sleep.
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Blegh. Why the ripoff screaming? Must EVERYTHING nowadays be 100% original?
"What? You were BORN?? How unoriginal, billions of people alive today have been that too..."
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Blegh. Why the ripoff screaming? Must EVERYTHING nowadays be 100% original?
"What? You were BORN?? How unoriginal, billions of people alive today have been that too..."
No nothing has to be original, but if it is, people will like it/be impressed/be astounded/appreciate your creativity.
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Blegh. Why the ripoff screaming? Must EVERYTHING nowadays be 100% original?
I just wanted to de-deify Infinitum. Put him down in the dirt where he belongs - nothing that he hasn't seen before ^^
Of course, not that he'll see it now....but I can't have people walking around thinking Infinitum's creative and cool or something like that. :p
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De-deify? I don't even worship Flayra like everyone else. And you would accuse me of deifying INFINITUM of all people? I just like the quote, 's all. Pfft. v_v
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If you think about it, we're completely off-topic. Who woulda figured?