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Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 23, 2004, 09:07:17 AM: Anyone got a copy of DoW? It's automatic awesomesauce because it's the warhammer 40k universe. Of course, you may not appreciate this if you don't know what it's like to spend five hours paining one miniature to perfection only to look and realize that you've still got another 30 miniatures in your army that are still unpainted.

But now you too can play, no paint fumes required. (This may be a disadvantage, depending on your point of view) For an RTS, it's actually quite well done. The focus is much more on battle than on resource gathering like, say, WC3. The power resource is gained by building plasma generators, and then just leaving them alone. And then there's a sort of strategic resource that's gained by capping strategic points and holding them. (Kinda like NS res towers) So the team that controls more of the map can build faster, and push out more, and so on. Makes for lots of fast action. Plus, the engine is quite amazing, and seeing a group of 30 space marines go charging into an ork horde, backed up by mighty dreadnoughts and heavy tank support is a sight that makes anyone's inner nerd geek out with glee. You can zoom down to the level of the battlefield and check out the detail on individual faces.

My point being, it's a really fun game. So does anyone have it?
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Post by: -Lancer- on September 23, 2004, 10:34:35 AM: never heard of it
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Post by: sonic on September 23, 2004, 10:51:17 AM: I'm gonna see if I can order it from play (http://www.play.com) tomorrow :)
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Post by: BlaqWolf on September 23, 2004, 12:10:53 PM: bought her the day she came out :D

it really IS a great RTS... totally replaced starcraft for me (well, not totally... but almost).

we should get some games together sometime, bob!
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Post by: Nuketheplace on September 23, 2004, 04:17:09 PM: I'm going to get it soon. I'll play with you then bob.
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Post by: Zero7 on September 23, 2004, 04:40:27 PM: I too will get this game.
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Post by: Satiagraha on September 23, 2004, 05:05:32 PM: What is it? LINX AND PIX PLZ OMG!!1!!11one!1
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Post by: Anarki3x6 on September 23, 2004, 05:45:21 PM: best newest rts game set in the warhammer 40k universe !

heres the gamespy review/info of it :)
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/warhammer-40000-d...r/548862p1.html (http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war/548862p1.html)
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Uranium - 235 on September 23, 2004, 06:49:59 PM: I'm like, the only one who thinks it's good, but not the greatest... the fact that the AI tends to completely ignore my commands is a big killer of it for me.
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Post by: Malevolent on September 23, 2004, 07:38:12 PM: I am with you on this as well Uranium. It's ok, but I don't think it is the "bestest evar!" Plus the single player campaign is short as hell. I want some length and depth, since that is usually what I get the most out of in a RTS after the multiplayer novelty wears off.
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Post by: BlaqWolf on September 23, 2004, 07:41:43 PM: you dont even own the game, male...

anyway, screens for sati... this is my imperial army :D
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Post by: BlaqWolf on September 23, 2004, 07:43:00 PM: after i womped on my bro
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Post by: BlaqWolf on September 23, 2004, 07:44:27 PM: same scene
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Post by: BlaqWolf on September 23, 2004, 07:46:09 PM: last one... that's me overwhelming the heretics ;)
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Post by: Asal on September 23, 2004, 09:52:47 PM: Watched over John's shoulder, that count?
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Post by: SgtFury on September 24, 2004, 01:45:41 AM: I read somewhere that there can be problems with connecting up to multiplayer games. If you have a slower connection then your opponent by the time you connect they are on your doorstep with a massive army. Have you seen this at all?
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Malevolent on September 24, 2004, 04:18:42 AM: Quote
you dont even own the game, male...
That is why I don't own it...
It's not hard to know that a game is short if you don't own it, and the brief time I played the beta wasn't anything special (therefore the brief time). ;)
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Post by: lolfighter on September 24, 2004, 07:39:35 AM: Quote
[...]Of course, you may not appreciate this if you don't know what it's like to spend five hours paining one miniature to perfection only to look and realize that you've still got another 30 miniatures in your army that are still unpainted.[...]
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H8. Warhammer Fantasy has long fascinated me (especially Orks & Goblins - complete pandemonium whenever you take the field ftw!), but I know that I'd never have the patience to paint all those friggin' miniatures (and Ork armies have more miniatures than most other armies due to their low point cost). I'd get one unit of thirty miniatures sprayed with white grounding, then get three of the miniatures painted green, then never touch the stuff again. And you can't play with unpainted miniatures. Curses.
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Post by: Geminosity on September 24, 2004, 08:17:34 AM: Yes you can... just not in the shop :p

Shame there's no tyranids, but luckily my other fave: eldar, are in there.
Do they have those metal skeleton thingies? =o
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Post by: lolfighter on September 24, 2004, 08:29:03 AM: They're called Necron iirc. How imaginative. :)
But I repeat: You can't play with unpainted miniatures. It ruins the game.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 24, 2004, 09:44:27 AM: Eh, we'd play with them unpainted all the time. When you're 14 and you just spent 30 dollars on a mini, you were damn well going to play with it. That 30 dollars may well represent your life savings. I actually found myself playing with a lot of half painted minis all the time. I'd get part way through one, and then get distracted by another one that looked even more super awesome.

Tyranids will hopefully be in the first expansion, they've always been pretty popular. I'd really love to see a FULL Chaos expansion. They just made a mish-mash of different Chaos bits and called it one army. I want my greater and lesser daemons of Slaanesh to meet my Eldar on the battlefield and have a hot steamy love fest of death. And come on, how can you go wrong with Nurgle? He's like the god of rest stop bathrooms that make you afraid to even breathe while you're inside them, and yet are the only bathroom for 300 miles. Plague and corruption for the win!

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And the Tau can get destroyed by a warp storm for all I care. Friendly, altruistic, advanced technology, working together, the little @#%$* don't belong in the WH40K universe at all. They just got put in to attract gibbering anime-mecha fanboys. (Not that anime or mecha are bad, but they fit WH40K like a house cat fits in the amazon jungle) At least the Necrons have a dark and tragic history. Even if the idea of metal skeletons seems sort of dumb.
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Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: sonic on September 24, 2004, 10:35:28 AM: From playing the DoW beta, I wanna get into the tabletop version. Been looking in the window of the Games Workshop everyday in town but dont have the bottle to go in :p
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 24, 2004, 11:44:09 AM: You lucky git, living in england and all. You can actually go to real original GW stores. Even though we do have some over here, they're nowhere near me. And I don't doubt the their stores over there are much nicer.
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Post by: Sustained on September 24, 2004, 03:26:18 PM: Lolfightar. I play every saturday. Most of my army of Space Wolves consists of paper patches and "stand-ins".

As for Dawn of War, I'm hoping that they bring in the various fanctions of the different armies.

Eldar armies have craftworlds, Space Marines have chapters, Chaos have their four gods, Orks have different mobs too.

And erh...They better bring in the Imperial Guard pretty fast. I mean, the orks can get IG tanks, but there are no IG there?! :blink:
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Post by: Geminosity on September 24, 2004, 04:12:30 PM: I've never felt the tau and necrons were really 'true' armies like the others. The Tau are just the 'lizardmen' equivalent in 40k while necron are supposed to be the undead.
I'd prefer they brought in the crazy squats =3

I had most of my minitures painted and stuff and I got real good at it. I don't know what 40k or GW is like these days but I'm long past bothering. If you were gonna bother with tabletop stuff I'd probably go for the less expensive (you don't need anywhere near as many models to play) War Machine (http://www.ikwarmachine.com/). It's made by a breakaway group who left GW to make their own games and they feature a lot of the better artists; the world/story is pretty neat as is the actual game ^^

Meanwhile for Dawn of War, I'd be happy with eldar but I've always been a tyranid player at heart; speed and melee all the way!!! XD
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Post by: Necrosis on September 24, 2004, 04:23:32 PM: Quote
Tyranids will hopefully be in the first expansion, they've always been pretty popular

Utter lies. Tyranids have never been popular.

Anyhows, Necrons are quite good if you go the whole banana and call them Necrontyr. Tau are NOT "space lizardmen", because space lizardmen are in fact the Slann. Yes, the big frogs of doom.

If you like War Machine then you probably want to play Necromunda, Inquisitor, or 2nd ed 40k when it was meant to be about small squad warfare. 2nd ed went a bit odd when people started taking huge armies. 3rd ed, and now 4th rd, are designed for ARMY battles, hence the frontal lobotomy the rules received.

Nids are in the new boxed set, but then Dark Eldar were in the old set and are still as popular as leprosy, which is a shame as they were quite a nice idea.

I'm not touching DoW till I see all the other races in it. Up til then, I'll stick with painting models and playing Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels on my PS2.
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Post by: Anarki3x6 on September 24, 2004, 05:36:12 PM: i want the civ with the warspikes and stuff <_< tau i think ?
heh that reminds me of the official dow forums ... everyone wants more of the warhammer armies :)
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Geminosity on September 24, 2004, 10:20:26 PM: Sorry Necro... I've been playing GW since the original spacehulk so there's nothing in there you can't tell me about I've not played Except super new stuff like the Lord of the rings thingies or the new 40k. I've even played the board games like horus heresy and space crusade XD

Dark Eldar is basically them trying to port over the Dark Elves after all the Eldar are the elfen folk of 40k =3

I don't see a Slaan army anywhere so I'm calling tau the lizardmen army and you can't stop me :p

...I miss Man o War and Battlefleet Gothic =(
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 25, 2004, 10:53:44 AM: Yeah the Slann all died out a loooooooooooong time ago. They can hardly be counted as a real race, they're just fluff. Unless you want to go with some old old 40k data that had them as an actual part of the universe. The latest canonical interpretation is that they taught the Eldar about the warp and such, and then died out, over ten thousand years ago. But, they were lizard or frog men.

And the Tau still suck. :p
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Post by: Necrosis on September 25, 2004, 01:50:07 PM: Slann were frog men, they were covered in Rogue Trader along with the Jokaero, original Csith Genestealers, Zoats, etc.

So dig out your old copy of RT. Page 194, if I'm not mistaken.

By the way, dark eldar have been around for a looooooooong time, again covered in Rogue Trader. They were a bit part of GW fluff up until recently when they FINALLY got models and a codex, at which point all the new people just called them Space Dark Elves. Disappointing.

The latest canon strongly hints at them being related or connected to the Old Ones of both 40k and Fantasy. The Slann, while either dead or very hard to find in 40K are still present within the Fantasy universe.

Honestly folks, I worked for the company, so there's nothing I really don't know.
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Post by: Diablus on September 25, 2004, 03:43:35 PM: When i used to play Magic back in the day at some card/board game place i remember seeing Warhammer being played on a really cool tabletop.

It reminded me of playing with action figures but without the:

"OMG WTH I SHOT YOU DAI!!11"

"NO WAY THATS CHEAP I HAVE LIEK 8534534 ARMOR MAN"

"FFS THATS NOT FAIR!!!! THEN MY GUYS HAVE HUGE ROCKETLAUNCHER NUKES AND DRANK SPECIAL ARMOR POTION!!!!!!!!11"

"GARRRR!!!!11"

*insert cat fight scene here with lots of smacking, biting, pinching, and scratching between the 2 guys*

because of the really specific and followed rules.

but i quit playing after i decided to stop being labeled "geek" <_<

sigh...such a good place too...
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Post by: Geminosity on September 25, 2004, 04:52:58 PM: Remind me, has Warhammer always been part of the 40k universe as a world seperated from the rest of the universe by ferious warp storms or is that one of the more recent incarnations? =o

The Fantasy Lizardman are supposedly descendants of the Slaan and stuff but as far as things go Tau are the closest actually playable army at the moment so that's why I call them the lizardmen of 40k =3

Zoats were funny... I'm still kinda curious what happened to them and hellbores and mkII spacemarine armour (with the funny knight cone faceplate).
If I remember right weren't genestealers meant to originally be traced to some moon or other that I forget the name of before they finally became attached to the tyranids along with rippers (which used to be native animals on alien planets)?

I've not played Rogue Trader in so long I barely remember it =s
Don't remember the dark eldar though... ~blink~ maybe I just missed them or something.
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Post by: Zero7 on September 25, 2004, 08:27:51 PM: Actually.. I always thought that Warhammer came BEFORE the 40k universe. In the games, you always see the Emperor dude. He was in the Warhammer game, Shadow of the Horned Rat, and you always hear the dudes in DoW saying "For the Emperor" and junk. I think a reference was made to him in an older 40k computer game too, where they said he lost his body to a disease or some junk. And since he's the immortal Emperor... *shrugs* It'd make more sense if the same Emperor who was in all the games went through the ages in the right order. The old medieval thing (archers, knights, junk like that... GYROCOPTERS) to the 40k universe.
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Dirty Harry Potter on September 26, 2004, 12:35:29 AM: As far as i know, GW first had the two universes connected, storywise that is. But i think they disconnected them in some edition. And i don't think they reconnected them.
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 26, 2004, 01:45:24 AM: Quote
Actually.. I always thought that Warhammer came BEFORE the 40k universe. In the games, you always see the Emperor dude. He was in the Warhammer game, Shadow of the Horned Rat, and you always hear the dudes in DoW saying "For the Emperor" and junk. I think a reference was made to him in an older 40k computer game too, where they said he lost his body to a disease or some junk. And since he's the immortal Emperor... *shrugs* It'd make more sense if the same Emperor who was in all the games went through the ages in the right order. The old medieval thing (archers, knights, junk like that... GYROCOPTERS) to the 40k universe.
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No silly man, the emperor united the imperium and was given a fatal blow by horus during the horus heresy, then was inserted into the golden throne where he's lived (sorta) ever since.
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Post by: Geminosity on September 26, 2004, 03:45:45 AM: Yeah... it's 2 different emperors =3

The 40k one lives forever through technology the warhammer world just doesn't have. Kinda nasty that it runs off the sacrificed lives of thousands of psykers though o.O

The story I remember is that Warhammer is a planet in the 40k universe but during the years of the great warp storms when nobody could traverse the warp it was totally cut off along with just about everywhere else. The problem is that when the storms calmed down over most of the galaxy the ones around the fantasy world still remained as fierce and howling as ever and still do to this day =o

Come to think of it aren't the days of storm the result of slaanesh's birth and the destruction of much of the eldar race? =P
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Post by: lolfighter on September 26, 2004, 07:07:46 AM: Bleh. The Tau are the only race that's really nice. The Tyranids are cool in that zergling sort of way (speed and melee). The Orks are cool in the chaotic, kill-everyone-for-the-heck-of-it braindead way. The Eldar are just a bunch of egocentric bastards like all other elves (and yes I know they're not really elves, but I'll be damned if there aren't a lot of similarities). And the humans? Don't even get me started on that bunch of mindless religious xenophobic fanatics. Oh wait, too late. But the Tau are the only ones who are actually NICE. The only ones I'd like to be myself, if I had to choose.

The Tau are how the humans SHOULD have been. Friendly, enlightened, high-tech, CIVILIZED. I know they don't fit the universe, because the universe is a dark and universally (get it? Universally. Haha) shitty place. They're like a beacon of light among so much biological degradation. So yeah, they don't fit in with the rest of the universe. I'd say they're better off for it, and I'll be rooting for 'em.
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Post by: sonic on September 26, 2004, 09:22:33 AM: The Tau instantly sucked when Firewarrior was made.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 26, 2004, 02:35:21 PM: Meh that's why I don't like the Tau, lf. Little buggers got off so easy. Let's examine shall we?

Humans - Live in just about the worst dictatorship ever invented, under the hand of a semi dead man kept alive on the sacrifices of his subjects. And he will NEVER DIE so they can't really hope for regime change. Mostly inhabit festering hive worlds swiss cheesed with tunnels and full of cities built on the ruins of cities over and over until they spear high into the deadly poisonous ruined atmosphere. Not to mention the fact that just about all the Chaos gods have it in for them and get the majority of their forces through corrupting humans and twisting them to do their dark bidding. And all their technology is many thousands of years old. Completely stagnant society. The only thing keeping it going is the momentum of 40,000 years.

Eldar - The last gasp of a race that by all rights died out 10,000 years ago when their own hedonistic lifestyle gave birth to their very own personal Chaos god. Stuck living on craftworlds floating aimlessly through the galaxy with no real home worlds to call their own. Death can't even release them from their fate, because when they die Slaanesh is waiting in the warp to consume their soul. Instead their souls get transferred to a tape backup and kept in stasis just hanging around for all eternity on the same old craftworld. But at least they've got style.

Orks - Are pretty well off, being too dumb to have any tragic history. But still... they're dumb. All they know is fighting and killing.

Chaos - Slaves to dark gods, need I say more?

Tyranids - I don't know, I actually like these guys. Sure, they descend on whole worlds and strip them of all natural resources until there's nothing left but dead and airless husks of rock... but at least they do that pretty well. There's something very pure about them. You know where you stand with them, eh?

Squats - AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ... breathe ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA ... HAH!

The Necrontyr - Whoops, we made a deal with ancient beings that get off on consuming whole systems and find the terror and pain of their inhabitants makes a nice piquant seasoning. Now we're stuck in bodies of metal for all eternity fighting their battles for them.

AND THE TAU --- Happy, clean, nice. Their technology is new and it's advancing. Have no warp signature. When they die, there's no evil force of Chaos waiting to consume their soul. Don't even have the potential of birthing a Chaos god, because of the no warp signature thing. Would have been wiped out by the Imperium for their improper and unblessed technology millenia ago, but got saved by a convenient warp storm surrounding them for aeons. Instead of enslaving races, they go around befriending them. UGH!

We can only hope that the next invading Tyranid hive fleet happens to break into the galaxy right where the Tau worlds are and shows these little blue bastards what the 41st millenium is like.
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Post by: Nuketheplace on September 26, 2004, 02:45:36 PM: So back on topic, would anyone actually like to play a Lm DoW game?
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Post by: sonic on September 26, 2004, 11:37:56 PM: Sure, when it arrives. Should be around wed/thurs.
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Post by: lolfighter on September 27, 2004, 03:29:11 AM: Quote
Meh that's why I don't like the Tau, lf. Little buggers got off so easy. Let's examine shall we?

{very long summary of the various races/factions in the WH40k universe}
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Post by: sonic on September 27, 2004, 06:01:14 AM: I bet you counted them all, didn't you lf?
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Post by: Dark on September 27, 2004, 07:13:48 AM: you wouldn't have too if you copied it to a word processor and used the word count function
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Post by: lolfighter on September 27, 2004, 07:15:12 AM: But nobody would EVER think of that.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 27, 2004, 07:45:04 AM: Some people are obviously underestimating my will to drag a subject out as long as possible. I love making long winded speeches on things. So anything that could have shortened that list would only make me less happy.

And the Tau are smelly blue doody heads.

Edit: Anyone wanna play DoW? :D
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Post by: Nuketheplace on September 27, 2004, 04:32:10 PM: Yes bob I would like to play Dow. Lets try to get something togeather over IRC or something like that.
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Post by: lolfighter on September 28, 2004, 08:07:52 AM: I've been perusing my Codex: Space Marines. I don't own a single miniature, but I bought the Codex: Space Marines, the Codex: Space Orks and the Armybook Orcs & Goblins simply for the fun of it. Well, the Codex: Space Marines says that there are rumours of horrible blasphemy concerning the Space Marines: They don't worship the emperor as a God, but merely as the founder of the Imperium and the Adeptus Astartes. That redeems the Space Marines a little.
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Post by: Necrosis on September 28, 2004, 03:14:48 PM: The bulk of marines treat him with the same respect they treat their Primarch, and even then thats usually far from deification.

The real problem was in the past some chapters, notably the Word Bearers, turned their faith into the core of their chapter. Once that faith was lost, they became instruments of evil.

The Word Bearers went bad because the Emperor complained about their righteous beliefs, and the Dark Angels were split because they lost faith in their Emperor and their Primarch.

On the older posts, the Warhammer world WAS considered to be part of the 40k universe. It was the Old Ones private place to experiment with life. At its polar regions were warp gates which allowed travel between it and the universe at large. These gates collapsed, allowing the leaking of chaos into the world.

There's no real clue as the location of the Warhammer world. The Slann were toast long before Slaanesh was born, so chances are the group chiefly to blame are either the C'tan (or their Necrontyr underlings) or the Enslavers (possibly other warp entities but not the "big three", they were chiefly created by Man).

Some not entirely reliable fluff states that the Warhammer world started as an experiment on the creation of a race to defeat the C'tan, and then moved on to become a race that would not succumb to Chaos. Hence why Halflings are apparently immune to the effects of Chaos (being the last creation of the Old Ones).

There is a logic to this, especially when you consider that Man created Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch, while the only creatures the Eldar have conjured up have been Slaanesh and Khaine... Khaine got messed up by Slaanesh, and Slaanesh is almost a minor power compared to the Big Three. Eldar might have some impressive warp manipulation skills but they can't measure up to the damage Man can do.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 28, 2004, 10:31:49 PM: Well off the current topic but on the main topic (if that's possible) the campaign is getting aggravating. I'm going to rant now. I hate it when games can't follow their own rules. I'm nearing the end of the campaign, I think (and I'm sort of pissed that it's only Space Marines, never once in the campaign do you play anything else, you just shoot a lot of the other races) and the game has all out started to cheat. I'm in a map bifurcated by a river with only one bridge across it. I take everything on one side of the river, build up my listening posts, turret up all my control areas, etc. I check all the edges of the map, and there's no Eldar there. But as soon as I cross the river.. OH SNAP, ELDAR COMING OUT EVERYWHERE! My bases far in the back of the battlefield are being attacked by Eldar forces who apparently came from the VOID off the edge of the map... and of course, the bulk of my forces are on the front lines pushing into the Eldar section of the map across the river. And even though I have a squad and vehicle cap, apparently the computer gets to pop out tons and tons of enemy forces. As I watched them sweep through my weakly defended listening posts and start hammering on my base, even as a mirror image of that huge force started attacking my main force across the river, I just turned off the game in disgust.

Looks like it's time to just start playing skirmishes, where the difficulty is based on your opponent's cleverness and tactics instead of on breaking the game rules. :angry:
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Post by: sonic on September 29, 2004, 12:47:53 AM: DoW still not come, maybe tomorrow :(
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Post by: Necrosis on September 29, 2004, 12:20:19 PM: They're coming out of the walls man!!

Actually thats how you can spot the Dev team of a game are lazy - "teleporting" enemies that suddenly appear at predetermined time periods. Pain in the backside.
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Post by: Nuketheplace on September 29, 2004, 04:38:01 PM: Quote
Looks like it's time to just start playing skirmishes, where the difficulty is based on your opponent's ability to mass units instead of on breaking the game rules. :angry:
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 29, 2004, 05:33:01 PM: Hooray for mass units! But I could see some strategy in this game coming from more than just massed forces. For example, putting a lot of assault marines with a lot of regular marines and then a bunch of whirlwinds in one squad and then giving them all an attack order on one area will end up with the assault marines getting pulverized by fire from the tanks and splash damage from any marines carrying rocket launchers. Actually... I haven't found much use for assault marines at all, except an early squad to quick cap strategic points. Their jump ability is interesting, but they tend to get crushed in hand to hand with most other units, which is where they SHOULD be best.

But anyway, yes, managing squads and using each type of unit to the best of its ability will probably win over putting all your force in group one and giving them an attack waypoint on the enemy base.
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Post by: Necrosis on September 30, 2004, 11:55:14 AM: See stuff like that would melt my head - I'm all too aware of every units "real" value in boardgame terms.... to have that bent over and violated would kill the enjoyment for me.

Specifically if charging JP Assault rines had their backside handed to them by a heavy weapons team.
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Post by: sonic on October 07, 2004, 01:53:39 PM: Woohoo it arrived! who wants to play ^_^
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Post by: Grimm on October 07, 2004, 02:28:05 PM: I was in the open beta test for a while, played quite a few games. Overall, I liked it, although lack of sufficient funding prevents me from purchasing it.
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Post by: Kodiac on October 07, 2004, 07:38:13 PM: aight, i have it. actually got it sunday, but i still have it. Let me know if you want to play, but i ahve to amke a knew id........my dark eldar army (for the REAL WH40k are paionted like jesters....and so my anme was the grimm_jester..then i realized what i had just done, so now i have to change my name, NOt the paint tho....thats hard)

I know i'm a bit late with this, but you guys think TYRANIDS are unpopular? Look at how many people play dark eldar? the store i shop at DOESNT EVEN STOCK THEIR STUFF HALF THE TIME AND THEY OVERFLOW WITH ALL THE OTHERS AND THEY SAID "WEL ITS CUZ NOONE BUYS THE DARK ELDAR" OMGHAXBBQ!!! I DO!. but sorry about that, it makes me angry when i cant buy a SINGLE guy with a dark lance.

so. My im is Mlord Kodiac so let me know if thou wouldst wish to play games with me.

and yes, i know dark eldar painted like jesters is a little.....strange......but how many of you are afraid of clowns that AREN'T trying to kill you? Now imagine them with guns and eating your soul......mmmmmm tasty.......

sorry i rambled, been a while
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Necrosis on October 08, 2004, 12:19:44 PM: Dark Eldar suffer the same fate as the Nids - they're not the easiest race to use WELL. Lucky for Nids this time they're in the box set and will get some shelf space.... although in the near future I expect the Nids to wane again. Half the newbs only buy them because GW redid the whole range to look like Zerg.

*grumble*
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Geminosity on October 08, 2004, 12:23:11 PM: My tyranids never lost a battle... I suspect the overwhelming numbers of genestealers from my space hulk games probably helped XD

...That and my bullet-magnet of a Hive Tyrant. He ate krack nades for breakfast and regenerates =3
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Necrosis on October 08, 2004, 04:16:04 PM: I remember my twin bonesword warrior brood wading through a pile of CC Blood Angel Terminators... ah, happy days.

I also used lots of Stealers from Space Hulk and ALL its add ons... leading to many happy moments, one of which was my stealers taking out the tracks on a land raider (becomes immobile, extra D6 armour pen) which then gave it enough ap dice to rip through the hull.. haha, never saw a land raider again.

Or the time Bjorn the Fell Handed got jumped by a pack of stealers who ripped off his leg, then because I was vindictive (and the Wolf player was far too confident of his dice pool) I ripped off every other limb before finally attacking the body. OMG WINNOR.

One of my not so great moments was losing an Ichar IV campaign battle to ONE model. Commissar Yarrick and his damned "I can't die" special rolls... just him still standing in a SEA of genestealers, spore mines, warriors, you name it. We lost because of that one model, but what a freakin great visual image it was.
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Decimator on January 04, 2005, 09:56:53 PM: Graaaah... THREADCROMANCY

So, anybody still playing this? I just bought it. :p
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Anarki3x6 on January 04, 2005, 11:01:01 PM: its soooooo 2 months ago... but.. i bet there are still people out there... PURGING THE UNCLEAN
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: spinviper on January 05, 2005, 05:18:49 AM: Great game. /me wubs warhammer 40k. Especially the books by the black library. Try downloading the Daemon Hunters mod from dowfiles.com. Its pretty cool.
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: SgtFury on January 07, 2005, 06:38:06 AM: I got it just before christmas too for my birthday. Enjoying having the diversity in the space marines corps and blowing things to smithereens.
Title: Dawn Of War
Post by: Crispy on January 08, 2005, 08:51:42 AM: WTHs Rogue Trader, when I used to play it was White Dwarf