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The Ready Room => General => Topic started by: GrayDuck on April 26, 2005, 12:29:02 PM

Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: GrayDuck on April 26, 2005, 12:29:02 PM: I closed the other topic because we believe the results to be inaccurate. The question is not about making a permanent change to the Lunixmonster, it is about turning friendly fire off for a week or so to see if the gameplay changes for better or for worse, or doesn’t change at all. At the end of said trial period we would evaluate and discuss the results (wins / losses / gameplay) and make a more permanent decision from there.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: rad4Christ on April 26, 2005, 12:30:53 PM: First vote, I win.

Personally, I love my FF. But I'm willing to forego it for one week just to see. I'm actually very curious about this.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Necrosis on April 26, 2005, 12:32:07 PM: Experimentation breeds change. I voted for a week trial.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: holy_devil on April 26, 2005, 12:48:38 PM: worth a shot imho. gameplay is crappy as is, if its worse with ff off, hey we can look forward to playing with it on again.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Rath on April 26, 2005, 12:53:05 PM: It can't hurt to turn it off for a week.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: pardzh on April 26, 2005, 12:53:45 PM: Can't hurt, right?

I think a plugin to turn off hive FF would be the coolest.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: rad4Christ on April 26, 2005, 01:24:40 PM: Actually, check this out, and give feedback: http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....showtopic=92484 (http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92484)

Won't help us currently, but what if we could get it in a future version?
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Malevolent on April 26, 2005, 02:09:35 PM: I still stand by what I said in the other thread.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Mr.Ben on April 26, 2005, 04:12:26 PM: I eagerly await not getting shot in the back
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Necrosis on April 26, 2005, 05:44:19 PM: If it helps I can stand at the side and fire from there?
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Guspaz on April 26, 2005, 06:27:47 PM: Quote
Actually, check this out, and give feedback: http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....showtopic=92484 (http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92484)

Won't help us currently, but what if we could get it in a future version?
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It should be fairly simple to make a plugin that forces FF on for GLs even if FF is off. As in, the only weapon that would do FF would be the GL.

That would solve the main problem we have FF on to fix.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: E-Fonzarelli on April 26, 2005, 06:33:31 PM: Quote
First vote, I win.

Personally, I love my FF. But I'm willing to forego it for one week just to see. I'm actually very curious about this.
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but honestly... do you think it will affect anything at all? The thing that affects marines not winning is people not being a team. After playing on the vet server for a while, i've found this out. And yah, the vet server is full of arseholes, but they can play marines at least - either that or they just aren't as leet as lunixmonster aliens are.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Plaguebearer on April 26, 2005, 06:41:46 PM: Which 'vet' server are you referring to? The NSA one where there's 12 players to a side?
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: SwiftSpear on April 26, 2005, 09:34:28 PM: Quote
Which 'vet' server are you referring to? The NSA one where there's 12 players to a side?
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The NSA vets server is 16 players large, and I assume that is the one he is refering too.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Plaguebearer on April 26, 2005, 10:16:38 PM: *shrug* I never go anywhere but LM. Tried a bunch of other servers at random one night... and pwned. That just felt wrong.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Krytos on April 26, 2005, 11:06:23 PM: I am against removing FF but I will support a trial period because that would be the fair thing to do I believe.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Asal on April 27, 2005, 12:16:38 AM: FF is part of the game, and a part that I've always treasured. Also, I see it as part of LM. I'll beg for it to stay, if I have to.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: CryForMe on April 27, 2005, 01:21:58 AM: go for it! it just means I can gorgespit you all in the hive while i drop chambers and you cant get mad at me for it >:D besides...its only a trial period...just as long as we can send it back and keep our free gift like those infomercials always have.

wait....no free gift?
WHAT A GYP!
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: SwiftSpear on April 27, 2005, 03:23:34 AM: I know my token resistance doesn't seem all that sensical at this point, but can we at least give version 3.0.3 a try before we go removing FF like crazy nutbags.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: That Annoying Kid on April 27, 2005, 05:46:59 AM: ^^

Oh, in response to LF and especially malevolent cause the other thread got locked

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Ok, sorry, low blow, I know

eh, not really, you do make a good point I would have said the same. My only gripe is I don't think of myself like the church :p

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I'm sorry but that is far from the truth. FF has been on for a minority of the time the server has been around.

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry Malevolent but that itself is far from the truth. LB has wanted FF on for the majority of the time the server has been on, but the option to turn it on outside of tourney play has only existed for the minority of the time.

Hence why I have the instinct to fight any changing of the FF

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Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Torgo on April 27, 2005, 06:39:46 AM: I say give it a one week trial run. It'll be weird to NOT have FF on for once, even though up until I came to the LM, I couldn't find any other server with FF enabled.

Oh, and finally people won't be able to TK me for welding them. Yeah, you know who you are!

Yar...
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Malevolent on April 27, 2005, 10:36:55 AM: Quote
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I'm sorry but that is far from the truth. FF has been on for a minority of the time the server has been around.

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry Malevolent but that itself is far from the truth. LB has wanted FF on for the majority of the time the server has been on, but the option to turn it on outside of tourney play has only existed for the minority of the time.

Hence why I have the instinct to fight any changing of the FF

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And that proves the point. It has not been on that long at all. It has nothing to do with what someone wanted when it couldn't be done. I said it wasn't on the server. It has to do with what the public has seen. They have seen that it hasn't been on the server for most of the time (if they started playing a long time ago). It can't be a staple if it doesn't exist on the server. That is my point.

To me, FF has not been on that long, and it doesn't do anything for me. It's nice because it's different, but I won't ever miss it. I think the people that play on the server are much more important than any plugin, etc. that the server runs.

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Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Rath on April 27, 2005, 11:44:00 AM: And now we should really wait to see what this new version of NS does to the Alien vs Rines win/loss before turning off friendly fire.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Dead_Meat on April 27, 2005, 11:44:25 AM: i would like to retract my vote to turn off ff temporarily till we determin what effects the new release of ns (3.03) has on the balance issue.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: GrayDuck on April 27, 2005, 12:44:51 PM: We won't disable FF until we see if the new serverside patch changes the win / loss ratio considerably. Don't worry. If after a few weeks aliums are still kicking ass, we'll give this ff-off thing a try. But we wouldn't change it at the same time as a new game-changing patch.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Malevolent on April 27, 2005, 02:05:05 PM: Well the new update should significantly improve the beginning of the game for marines.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: UKchaos on April 28, 2005, 11:10:02 AM: Marines winning more doesnt make mc rushing an unbuilt hive any less cheap.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: aeroripper on April 28, 2005, 11:29:47 AM: MC rushing a hive isn't cheap

its a good strategy
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Malevolent on April 28, 2005, 03:08:02 PM: Quote
MC rushing a hive isn't cheap

its a good strategy
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...that doesn't normally exist.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: lolfighter on April 28, 2005, 03:32:42 PM: Spawncamping is a good strategy too. Your team wins. On this server, it's considered cheap though.
My point being: Good strategy and cheap are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Mac on April 29, 2005, 11:44:32 AM: Quote
MC rushing a hive isn't cheap

its a good strategy
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Correction: a cheap strategy - which as Mal pointed out, is not usually there.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: george on April 29, 2005, 11:33:48 PM: Seems like theres enough FF off servers already up to get the feel of a FF off server hence i voted to keep FF on.
I've played FF off and on, IMO its more fun with it on.

yay.
George
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: That Annoying Kid on April 30, 2005, 12:20:04 AM: Quote
It has nothing to do with what someone wanted when it couldn't be done.
sure it does, last time I checked LB pays for it. His word
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Necrosis on April 30, 2005, 06:54:19 AM: Is it just about the fun tho?
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: AzubahF on April 30, 2005, 09:29:58 AM: I don't see how mc rushing a hive is "cheap." when marines wound the hive, aliens are able to mc over, FF server or not. so why not when an alien wounds it?
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Dark on April 30, 2005, 09:55:24 AM: leave it on, i mean that is what distinuishes LM from other servers
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Manta on April 30, 2005, 10:05:49 AM: I see the point you're trying to make, but in this case, aliens can easily send one or two (gorge + skulk, maybe) to hit the hive in case a ninja is around or something. For example: A Marine makes it to the hive, stays outside for a PG. No aliens are around. A smart Marine does not hit the hive, to ensure that he isn't met with any more resistance than he can handle.

Another example: Marine gets a PG outside of hive. A lone alien is in the unbuilt hive. What does the alien do in LM? Hit the hive, of course. Normally, the Marine would wait for reinforcements before htiting the hive, to prevent the MC rush.
Title: Friendly Fire Poll, Take Two
Post by: Lightning Blue on May 02, 2005, 02:01:59 PM: Closing thread for now.

For everyone's information I'd wanted FF on in NS for a very long time since hosting servers, so when the option was added we jumped on it.