Overly Chatty Penguins
The Ready Room => General => Topic started by: Diablus on June 01, 2004, 05:10:48 PM
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Teamwork in LM on the marine side is getting worse and worse. New players aren't following orders, or even team leaders (aka people who enforce the Wp rule) Im getting sick of saying over the mic "Follow me, no dont go down that hall, come THIS WAY, no, no dont go that wa"... *Holy_devil killed NSplayer with bite*
and for instance before in ns_mineshaft "Ok guys theres a onos in between double and tram tunnel, hes not at full hp we can get him from both sides and take him out." Well what happens? I get 1, Yes just 1 Marine who tries to help me kill the onos from a 2 way attack, of course we both got eaten while our team dilly dallys with a lerk in a freakin vent, or knifing a oc.
I miss the good ol 2.0 LM days when 7 out of 8 marines would form strategies, work together, and not rambo off. And at least listen to more "experienced" players on the field v_v. Is there ANY way LB can get some sort, of plugin or something that would at least enforce a *tiny* bit more teamwork <_< .
Now i know this is somewhat a Vent off from last game, but comeone people, res slotters or not. If your on a team please listen so we could have a good, competative, harsh game B)
and if NS comes out on some gameing system that when your guy actually died, you got a electrical zap of 100 volts. mabye that would enforce more teamwork
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You ever feel like you're ramboing, and yet, you're at the waypoint? I've had a lot of sad moments along these lines:
One hive left, whole team has heavies. Comm says, "OK guys, lets get into that hive and take it out, GO!" And so I go trudging off to the hive and charge in like a madman, only to suddenly realize that I'm the only one there. Maybe a marine or two followed me halfway, but they suddenly got distracted by a skulk/gorge/res node/pretty picture on the wall and just disappeared. So congrats, I get killed by a skulk rush along with the last remaining fade. Five minutes later, maybe half the team finally shows up, after getting ammo, welding, getting more ammo, moving off in the wrong direction, getting killed, screaming at the comm for more heavy kits...
At this point I'm praying that the aliens have a second hive going up and someone ready to go onos and start devouring heavies, because the $#@%& stupid marine team deserves it!
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it seems LB should enforce a "Take Ritalin before entering the server" policy <_<
cause there's more A.D.D and A.D.H.D on the marine team. then there is in my school.. which is pretty sad.
Comm: Ok guys, move down engine corridor and take out that onos
Heavies: Rgr that lets move.... There he is blast hi.. ooo... pretty lights...OHH! a lerk!.. OOoo a butterfly!.. OMG WTF COMM HE ATE ME HELP TEAM HE.. Ooo i see a bone in here...
Rest of the team : QUICK! catch that butterfly before it gets in the vent!. I think it had sparkles on it!
Comm : *sigh*, well Pit of dewm.. do the priveledge of ending this aggrivation...
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Yes, the lack of Team work is a major factor in my not wanting to comm any more.
MY Losses are so high most games because NO ONE WILL FN LISTEN.
I gave you all HA/HMGs but nooooo you don't want to move out, you all want to run away at the first ONOS you see.
I don't enjoy comming anymore, but game after game NO ONE WILL COMM, so I jump in. ;)
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i'm sure there is a rule that you have to follow orders.. no? isn't there? *goes to look*
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This is what happens when all the res slotters are doing nothing but playing alien.
Every game it seems to be about 80% res slotters stacked on aliens, the other 20% are on Marines with a team of scrubs. When I get back there will be much justice dealt.
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Quite often I find myself forced to play on the alien team even when I would have rather played on the marine team simply because the marine door is stacked three players high. Maybe the bind of pain needs to come back... *hides from LB*
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Following orders is always a good thing. But we have all been scrubs at one point and didnt follow orders or have had a bad day and just plain want to blow things away with large weapons with large bullets that spray out uncontrollably killing everything within your 180 degree field of view. To only continue on your lone journey blasting away to alleviate some stress or what not. Then somehow the team loses and you blame comm and the rest of the team for not following your path of complete destruction and mayhem.
also sometimes i've noticed that players concede the game too early or start goofing off too soon. Even if the Marines have 0 rts you shouldnt just let them stay in a corner and own the 2 players actually trying to end the game. Or vice versa giving up when the opposing team has captured all rts or what not.
But then again its just a game....
--george
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I usually see a LOT of the RS on aliens, ALL the time, and I always try for marines, so im the type of person to notice these things I rarely go aliens because marines need all the help they can get... SOMETIMES the rs's will be all "k, enough aliens marines for one game!" then they TOTALY slaughter the aliens, and go back to the aliens team... I don't know about you's, but 1/10 games winnning is NOT very nice, and the worst part is, I'm usualy forced to comm.
so bah
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Quite often I find myself forced to play on the alien team even when I would have rather played on the marine team simply because the marine door is stacked three players high. Maybe the bind of pain needs to come back... *hides from LB*
I, too am forced alot to join aliens when i come in late game. And Uranium, its not the fact that RSers are stacking aliens before every round. It's the NON -Reserved Slotters who stack marines evety round (Most likely because there new to the game and prefer weapons that are familiar to regular HL DM games).
And the fact that sometimes the Reserved Slotters stack aliens when they see 1 or two other RSers is the fact that they'd rather be on a team with other Reserved Slotters who USE teamwork, and USE tactics.
I quite frankly go aliens because i prefer playing aliens. Though they require more teamwork then marines Others Reserved Slotters prolly enjoy aliens themselves.
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This is what happens when all the res slotters are doing nothing but playing alien.
Every game it seems to be about 80% res slotters stacked on aliens, the other 20% are on Marines with a team of scrubs. When I get back there will be much justice dealt.
your silly threats are just that uranub.
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i was the lerk in the vent :D :D :D
anyways i go Aliens becuase its more fun, and whenever i go marine we usally die to 2 fades before 10min mark so its not that fun, And most the time i just run into the random team and end up on aliens becuase everyone stacks marines
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"Everyone" "always" stacks "aliens"/"marines". I've learned to stop worrying about it. There will always be someone complaining that someone is stacking some team. We've been through this before. Res slots are not a clan, admins are not a clan. Consties don't count as stackage. ICONS, for the love of rabid monkies, don't count as stacking. The ONLY stacking we have a rule against is clan stacking. Thank you, drive through.
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[talk of stax]
and most admins agree:
ncr stacking gives the other team an unfair advantage :p
well, the aliens have a new toy and we like toys ... meh, give it a week or two or ten
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My guess is that everyone has bad days when they are totally nub and that's what everyone remembers. Sort of like me forgetting the weld spot for the wall on tanith causing the marine shotty rush to utterly fail (it used to the wall serious!). If I was "NSPlayra" or "Smartbomb" or something, people would be complaining about all the noobs invading LM when they are already here.
Also I end doing lots of "waypoint ramboing" as well. I blame rfks as it makes the "suicidally following orders like the RTS grunt you are" strategy self-defeating. But that’s a rant for another day. :p
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I only follow orders if i know the comm or if it's a hive assualt. Otherwise i just run around doing my own thing. You may be like omfg rambo bastard but i do a lot of damage to the aliens by randomly harassing and i know where to harass and i know what needs to be done and when. That's the glory of being a commander too :)
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yes but once almost EVERY marine does it. It runs the game. Dont do it, unless the comm tells you to, not because you know him/her or not.
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when i play on the rines and one of the well known rs holding coms is around i seem like i'm the only one really following orders, but that is due basically to the fact that a majority of the rsers are on the aliens.
it is just annoying being the only one trying to get a choke point for the comm only to be eatten by 4 skulks while you are building since no one is around to cover you. if this happens it doesn't help to complain cause the random pubber won't know what you were talking about. this is especially pointless banter when the random pubber is a vet who thinks he knows what is best for the team by spawnkilling the aliens.
/rant
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it seems LB should enforce a "Take Ritalin before entering the server" policy <_<
cause there's more A.D.D and A.D.H.D on the marine team. then there is in my school.. which is pretty sad.
Ritalin is a sedative, usually used on kids when the parents don't want to deal with any attitude at all, and in some rare cases its actually used on kids who have actual over-active attitudes. If you gave a kid who has A.D.D. some Ritalin, you'd end up with a sluggish kid who can't pay attention for half a minute.
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I like when people yell at ME about stacking a team... christ... ME. I'm a handicap to the team :(
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this is how all of NCR feels, IF we REALLY hate you, we will all stack your team when youre comming. Mwahahah
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I only follow orders if i know the comm or if it's a hive assualt. Otherwise i just run around doing my own thing. You may be like omfg rambo bastard but i do a lot of damage to the aliens by randomly harassing and i know where to harass and i know what needs to be done and when. That's the glory of being a commander too :)
well Mr.ben a rambo is a wonderful thing.
you can come and be my rambo anyday, just let me know what your general plan is (ie what nodes your going to try and rape ect.) and i will try to assign you some backup.
because as we all know, ONE rambo is garbage, but 2 or 3 is a sizeable force to be reconed with.
but generaly i have nothing wrong with rambo's, just let me know what your doing so i can help you/send you reinforcements ect.
if you are just running off and dieing by yourself, then i urge you to hang around the armory and follow someone else because you're useless on your own.
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I've been known to rambo on occasion as well, but usually it's just when the comm is as active as a rock. If I've GOT waypoints or orders of any kind, I'll be the first one in line to carry them out. But if the comm doesn't offer anything, I just run off and start shooting things, have my own personal deathmatch until the game spirals down into fades and onos raping base. It's not as fun as a good teamwork game, but it's better than sitting in base and spamming the 'need orders' button until my face turns blue.
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meh if a com is inactive like bob i feel the need to rambo to keep myself sane since the "standing by" and "ready to move" spam really gets to me. however, unlike bob, i won't be living long since i at this point i don't care so i bring out my knife and attempt to knife skulks, gorges, lerks, fades, and yes even onos. to me that is just more entertaining then sitting at an empty rt waiting forever. now if the com has wps and is active and will give you the unbuilt building the first time you hit the need orders button then i will be more inclined to keep my guns at the ready and my knife only as a last resort.
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Although I must also confess that if I build an RT and the comm drops a turret factory right next to it... Well, assuming we're not in a choke point, a double node, or a hive, I usually sigh and say to myself 'oh... we're going to play THAT kind of game again' I'll usually build the tfac and then run away before the comm can drop turrets. I know, I know, it's not very nice. But sometimes you just have to go with what FEELS right, eh? :p
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You see i'm a ninja, i just turn up in hives, kill fade eggs, setup pgs, take out what should be a safe res node then i disapeer again back into the shadows.
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Well I always attempt to play marines.
So meh.
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all of the [CoFR] guys stack on one team usually, as well. Regs or no regs, its hard enough to win against these guys.
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Ritalin is a sedative, usually used on kids when the parents don't want to deal with any attitude at all, and in some rare cases its actually used on kids who have actual over-active attitudes. If you gave a kid who has A.D.D. some Ritalin, you'd end up with a sluggish kid who can't pay attention for half a minute.
Actually AFAIK Ritalin is indeed a stimulant (an amphetamine). It is effective in most cases against A.D.D., the problem you speak of is the over-diagnosis of A.D.D. in the first place. What it does is make you very wired but focused - it tries to force you to concentrate on one thing, though the end result is you end up sort of OCD about it. For some people it doesn't work and just makes them feel like they drank a whole pot of coffee. I used to take it daily as a kid, and through high school and college I took it occasionally as I felt I needed it for papers, all-nighters, and long skull-crunchers like the SAT or GRE.
The "attitude" thing you talk about came later as Ritalin and A.D.H.D. became famous. I think it may be in decline (though there are some other ones out there now).
</offtopic post with too many acronyms>
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Well, trying to stay on topic... :)
We played a game last night, I cant remember the comm but we were pretty muchs crewed, onos and fades incoming all the time. So what I did (with comms permission) I went out to get pg's at as hive, we had lvl 3 wps so that helped... The team managed to take down 4 or 5 hives that round, before te aliens finnally killed us, we slaughtered a bunch of hives, 2 of which with nothing more the lmgs and pistols, and using teamwork, we managed to take out 2 onos within 15 seconds, if not less (hmgs helped).
It was a game like that, a game with so much teamwork, hell I've seen less teamwork in WINNING games, we we were loosing to smeg, we actualy did something instead of playing the alamo, we brought the fight to their hives (before they could get a fade or onos there in time, :) ) and it was fun, like REAL fun and we lost. I must say it was one of my best games of ns for such a long time as a marine. (oh, I got 2 of the hive pg's, then they got sent of fear and I could barely get out of base, hell even then we managed two more which amazed me.) ninjaing in a loosing game of ns is about the most important thing ever, and that night it was proved :)
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all of the [CoFR] guys stack on one team usually, as well. Regs or no regs, its hard enough to win against these guys.
Actually, a rule is to random, we don't always do it as we should, but I try to ALWAYS random, unless I really want to comm, or I'm tired of randoming to the same team.
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It was a game like that, a game with so much teamwork, hell I've seen less teamwork in WINNING games, we we were loosing to smeg, we actualy did something instead of playing the alamo, we brought the fight to their hives (before they could get a fade or onos there in time, :) ) and it was fun, like REAL fun and we lost.
i totally agree. that was great teamwork on your part, and i salute you marines in that ubar display of ubar teamwork :)
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Ninjaing has always been fun. Pandora Selection Solid... I should see whether I can write a guide on that.
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It was a game like that, a game with so much teamwork, hell I've seen less teamwork in WINNING games, we we were loosing to smeg, we actualy did something instead of playing the alamo, we brought the fight to their hives (before they could get a fade or onos there in time, :) ) and it was fun, like REAL fun and we lost.
was that, the crappy game i commed after ours left? or the one later when we took down 4-5 hives?
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I agree with diablus. I like playing marine. I like the sense of teamwork but alot of the time theres no teamwork whatsoever. I end up being the only one at the waypoint or dying trying to get to it while everyone else is humping the armory like mad thinking its going to start spurting candy all over the place.
But there are occasions where the marines have some pretty decent and team minded players. That makes the bad games worthwile.
:)
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I like rounds when i try and help the team and get shouted at. Oh those are the best.
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Ritalin is a sedative, usually used on kids when the parents don't want to deal with any attitude at all, and in some rare cases its actually used on kids who have actual over-active attitudes. If you gave a kid who has A.D.D. some Ritalin, you'd end up with a sluggish kid who can't pay attention for half a minute.
er, no, ritalin is a stimulant, like caffeine.
http://www.pediatricneurology.com/ritalin.htm (http://www.pediatricneurology.com/ritalin.htm)
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I know that people seem to think Ritalin is the end-all-be-all drug to fix anything (unfortunately), but Night, according to that link, people say Ritalin can even make people's HANDWRITING improve... I mean... :blink:
Oh, and on topic: I hate marines. Completely.
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you don't hate mariens, yer a pretty good grunt, if memory serves....
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Oh, I go marines on occasion, but I would much rather be an alien most anyday. Although, just because I like aliens doesn't mean when I do go marines that I constantly run around screaming for a lightsaber to weld and/or smite all obtructions with extreme prejudice.
I just try to avoid doing work where my aim is really counted on, or where I need to shoot things in general. (That time on RO really murdered my aim! ^_^) I'll go RT hunting, travel with backup, or try to ninja up a PG... just don't ask me to shoot those skulks.
I've been an avid alien player since day one though, ignoring the tooltip "NEWBIES JOIN MARINES!" and having fun climbing walls and removing limbs immediately. :D
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Rest of the team : QUICK! catch that butterfly before it gets in the vent!. I think it had sparkles on it!
You made me laugh :) For a while :) Thanks for the clever joke.
this is how all of NCR feels, IF we REALLY hate you, we will all stack your team when youre comming. Mwahahah
Disclaimer: Ulatoh is representing his own views only. He cannon possibly speak for everyone in NCR.
And we don't stack teams. (At least I don't -- I have been playing rines constantly but thats because I need lots of practice :))