Overly Chatty Penguins
The Ready Room => General => Topic started by: Uranium - 235 on January 11, 2004, 09:06:05 PM
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Anyone else noticed the sudden influx of asshole n00bs into lunixmonster?
1) I've been acused of hacking multiple times. (I quickly rectified THAT situation)
2) People are more spammy then ever on voice comm, as well as more verbal abuse, etc.
3) General lowering of the average IQ.
4) After every game the server empties like an overflowing portapotty rolling down a hill.
WHY? When the hell did CS merge with NS?! Really starting to piss me off, thinking of quitting NS until 3.0 comes out, I can't :Ding stand these 2 vs 2 games anymore.
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I'm glad an admin brought this up first, because now I get to VENT.
I know it's best policy to be friendly to newbies, and I'm all for that. If someone is honestly interested in how the game works and wants to learn, hallelujah. I'll explain every aspect they're willing to listen to. However... there's a difference between newbies and the aforementioned asshole n00bs. (A.N.)
A.N.: "Commander, we need turrets here. Commander! COMMANDER TURRENTS OMG COMMANDO DORP TURRENT FANCTORIE!"
Bob: "I'm not turreting an RT. It's elecing, move to your waypoint soldier"
A.N.: "GOD GUYS OUR COMMANDRO IS A NOOB"
And of course
A.N.: "How do I becomes teh big alien?"
Bob: "Well you need a lot of res first."
A.N.: "It says 100" (20 minutes into the game... with one hive... and 1 RT)
-BobTheJanitor has left the game.
And the BELOVED voice spam.
A.N.1: "Hey dooder, what's up! How's it hanging man?"
A.N.2: "Hey man, I'm just chiling. How's your sister"
A.N.1: BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH
A.N.2: BLAHBLAHBLAH BLAH ... BLAHBLAHBLH
-and so on-
Bob: "Quit voicespamming and play."
A.N.1-10: "OMG SHUTUP"
Then there's the commanders dropping multiple Armories at base in the first thirty seconds of the game. And blowing all the start res on one IP, a Tfac, and a big turret farm. And good god, today lolfighter was doing the end game IP farm, which is always so much more fun than a turret farm, and some gent by the name of Player jumped in the CC and recyc'd half the IPs!!! And then called lolfighter an idiot! (Player didn't last long after that)
Ooh and the comm today that built a second base at laser drilling. Yep, fully functioning: CC, IPs, armory. And OF COURSE the turret farm! And the MS base was still up too!
And of course the old hive is under attack while the whole team is busy walking around the map apparently thinking that someone else (which is usually me) will take care of the HA train with PG and sieges at the hive.
ARGH! I could go on forever. Everyone was new once, but no one should be an idiot ever.
And 3.0... I'm worried that when NS shows up on every CS'ers list of games, we'll have an even bigger mess to worry about.
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To clarify, the gent called me an idiot after I asked him, in a somewhat annoyed voice: "Why are you recycling the IPs? Don't recycle the IPs!"
And he only got a 24 minute ban. Meant to throw him out for a day, but I lack practice at banning it seems. Durn.
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I been in a game with all the voice spamming. :help:
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The only really bad experience I can remember is when this idiot started dropping almost 5 TFs in MS. He was such a retarded comm. Oh, and he didn't care about capping any res, just those TFs.
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ppl who are annoying as mentioned, i will be warning, then kicking. i can't stand for it.
LB: lemme know if kicking for this is not allowed.
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<Lito> Move to your waypoint. Go Go Go!
<Nub1> hey comm, shotgun.
<Lito> Can't spare the res, move it
<Nub1> Umm, you have like 30
<Lito> For res nodes. We have 1, i want more. Move now.
<Nub1>Look at our base! tf and an ip, omg, gg
<Nub2> Thats it? really?
<Nub1> noob comm
*Vote to eject the commander has started
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The few, the brave, the frontiersmen.
I can't believe some of these people. Been playing NS for all of two days and they know so much more about the game than their commander. Now, I never F4. I think it's the lamest thing ever. But the other day I had a game where the marines were refusing to go to their waypoint and standing around an electrifed RT demanding that I place turrets there. They kept complaining that I had a ton of res and wasn't doing anything with it (actually I was saving for a JP/SG rush for the ungrateful ruffians) even tho we had 3/3 equipment, an upped armory, MT, Phase Tech, and even a turret farm at base (I was the second comm to jump in the chair). After about the fourth or fifth time of being called an idiot, I said "OK, you're so smart, win the game yourself." I F4ed and went to spec mode. They didn't last too long.
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So now you how vets and others feel when noobs keep accusing and saying stuff :) It's very frustrating isn't it?
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the only real event i can remember, was that my phaaaaaaaase olympics was ruined :o, because of well - 'nubs' that didnt feel like it. then later an admin came in, that really spoiled the fun :p...
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simply go and watch them in spec and request all people who connect to join you >:D
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I think the newbiness influx is a Steam thing. Lunix wasn't fully like this on Won, as was CoFR. but now on Steam both servers can be/are plagued by newbs. The one negative I have with LunixMonster is that you can have an excellent, well played game, and then ahorrible excuse for NS, because all the regs/good players leave. but that's true with any server on Steam, from my experience.
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WHY? When the hell did CS merge with NS?! Really starting to piss me off, thinking of quitting NS until 3.0 comes out, I can't ****ing stand these 2 vs 2 games anymore.
Might want to quit until after 3.0; 2.0 release brought in more newbies than I had ever seen, and its likely 3.0 will do the same.
I'm also all for helping out the newbies, but the A.N.'s are a pain. I don't mind being called a hacker or a 'nub', or anything else said directly at me as I've learned to deal with it when I first started gaming. But when they do things that ruin the game, something that I can't ignore, it really ruins the fun of NS.
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So now you how vets and others feel when noobs keep accusing and saying stuff :) It's very frustrating isn't it?
There's a difference and I don't think you'll want me to list my reasons for hating all vets here ;)
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WHY? When the hell did CS merge with NS?! Really starting to piss me off, thinking of quitting NS until 3.0 comes out, I can't ****ing stand these 2 vs 2 games anymore.
Might want to quit until after 3.0; 2.0 release brought in more newbies than I had ever seen, and its likely 3.0 will do the same.
I'm also all for helping out the newbies, but the A.N.'s are a pain. I don't mind being called a hacker or a 'nub', or anything else said directly at me as I've learned to deal with it when I first started gaming. But when they do things that ruin the game, something that I can't ignore, it really ruins the fun of NS.
Rofl, this was a game we played: Server was chock full on non-regs who vacated the server after the last game, like usual, so it dropped from 7 vs 8 to 3 vs 4. I was on marines. Map was hera. Yeah, odds aren't too good. Well we relocated to cargo, no one ever really found us there for a while. Eventually we got level 3 weapons and 'a civilian' and I set out with shotguns and JPs. We enter vent hive and I see a shimmer by the vent duct. I drop down and point-blank a fade in the stomach with a shotgun. I launch and fire again, civilian is above him and lands a shot square on his back and finishes him as I dodge OC fire.
Nub Fade: Hacker
Me: What?
Nub Fade: bitch admin hacker
Nub Fade: lamer i can't believe u hack
Me: FFS you :Dtard we have level 3 shotguns what the hell did you expect to happen you idiot?
Other Nub: OMG admin hacks wtf lame
admin_ban nub fade
Me: You're next Other Nub.
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Its fun when you get ejected from the comm chair, after not building an armory, this was after the marines lost 4 games in a row due to people staying at base and humping, :/
These noobs are making me want to quit NS, or atleast play on private servers
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I think it's just time for the banhammer to start falling even harder. LM always had a bit of a rep, at least from my point of view, as a place with iron clad rules. Maybe some of these newbies need to learn that. If they see their friends getting even half hour bans for minor stupidities like name calling or voice spamming, people will wise up. Or they'll come back and be stupid and get perma'd. Either way, I'm happy!
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yea, thats a reason why i really play on NCR server cause alot of old LM regs play there =)
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May have to try that one of these days.
Also, this is a reason that I enjoyed a custom map or two thrown into the mix. Yes, it emptied the server, but the people that did have the maps grew over time and they mostly tended to be regs or at least non-idiots. It was like a breath of fresh air.
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the banhammer shall be wielded and will deal gaming goodness for those there to play NS properly.
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Well...all I can say is this: sh*t happens.
Just try not to let the aforementioned crap get to you. If you've found a particularly annoying batch of players, run away. Read a book. Get some food. Come back later when people who you can stand are on.
*edit* you bastards.... :p
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People you can stand.. on? Like really short people? I take offense to that. Ok, not to be the grammar nazi (too late) but this is why you don't end your sentences with prepositions if it can be avoided, children. That is something up with which I will not put. :p
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yeah, i'm sorry, i've never seen that preposition at the end of a sentence before. i mean, i'm sure his grammer isn't really on. and likewise, i'll make sure that i make sentences that more conform to what you're after.
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Wouldn't be so irritating if I actually could play a game with 8 vs 8 from start to finish. Haven't had one in about 2 weeks now
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So I forgot a word. I hate you all. :rolleyes: :p
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Wouldn't be so irritating if I actually could play a game with 8 vs 8 from start to finish. Haven't had one in about 2 weeks now
I agree. While we have rules in place that forbid just going to the readyroom because "omg we've lost F4 F4!", we can't really prevent people from simply leaving the server. Gets frustrating.
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yeah, i'm sorry, i've never seen that preposition at the end of a sentence before. i mean, i'm sure his grammer isn't really on. and likewise, i'll make sure that i make sentences that more conform to what you're after.
F- See me after class.
I laughed. ; )
And on the nubbage - I always try and be the one switching teams around when things start getting bad. But when it's, say, end game and the aliens are assaulting MS and the marines are just turtling it up, I hate switching. Sitting while your base is slowly destroyed is no real fun, and by this point the comm has already given up, so there's no point in having extra men except to drag the game on.
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One solution to this is to simply hand out reserved slots like crazy to good players that we want to have around, and crowd out the n00b crowd by sheer numbers.
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One solution to this is to simply hand out reserved slots like crazy to good players that we want to have around, and crowd out the n00b crowd by sheer numbers.
That would require people that are actually reserved-slot-worthy, now, wouldn't it? :D
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There's some ok people out there that don't have a reserved slot yet. I don't know what they're like enough yet to actually recommend anything. No one gets any <3 from Uranium.
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We need more rules!
NSPlayer: Hey admin, do you know where I can download the custom maps for this server?
ARCHITEUTHIS THE BEST ADMIN EVER: You just said "you"! That word has the letter u in it! U IS PART OF A VERY BAD SWEAR WORD. PERMABANNED.
And that's how Arch became the only player able to access the server.
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One solution to this is to simply hand out reserved slots like crazy to good players that we want to have around, and crowd out the n00b crowd by sheer numbers.
i like this idea. i always have an eye out. usually, when i get type killed, its me looking at a particularly good/nice/teamplaying player's steam_id :)
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I dunno if this is relevant or not, but its a bit of experience...
This nub problem we're having isn't just present in the gaming industry, It seems to be the nasty underbelly of online pop-culture.
3 years ago i was the moderator of the "Other Religions" and " Why Not Me" boards on TeenTalk (they have a tv show now :/) I started backseat adminning in the other religions board, cause of all the flamers, you had the christian fundamentalists who were flaming the muslims, the muslims were flaming hte christians, the Hindi's were setting flametraps, bla blabla blabla.... Eventually they made me a real mod so i could lock posts and delete them, since the real mod was idle for 6 mos. But while i was modding, the thing i couldnt figure out is, these people belonged to very different people groups, the only common thread was that they had nothing better to do than sit on the computer for hours a day, I play NS and other games in my Free Time its not all i do... Lack of skill notwithstanding, I bet these kids were allways banning do nothing but sit on their comp and play games.
Wielding the Banhammer seems reasonable, and yes, LM does have a rep, I remember more than one post on the NS boards talking about servers, and which ones were good saying "Lunixmonster is good, but dont fork around being nubbish, they will ban you in a flash"
Mebbe we should direct these poor products of society to rehabilitative therapy, ettiquete training, and most of all, Send them to a Hack-i.d. clinic, so they stop saying OMG HMG CANT KILL SKULK WITH CARA!!! HAXXXXXX
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Well then get on the ns.org/forums and advertise LM.
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yes, uber pimpage, esp on threads where everyone seems to know what they are talking about/are patient with others/are willing to learn.
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that would be the off topic forums i think.... but i don't think its allowed o_O
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It surely couldn't hurt if we were all to slip it into our sigs, though...
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Put it in Gen Disc, say some crap about... stuff, I've seen threads there before.
EDIT: Yes I've seen lots of threads, but even some advertising servers.
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I've had the link to these Lunixmonster forums in my NS sig for a while, perhaps I need to pizazz it up a bit to get some more attention there.
Anyone know if theres a way to make a sig a link in itself? The idea is that when people scroll down a page and they hover over my sig for a sec, they'll notice the cursor change and possibly click it.
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you can pimp a server, you just can't complain about them? or something? it'sin the FAQs.
i do know you can pimp them, they almost always get buried though :)
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Me: GOOGOGO To your WPS.
Marines: ...
Aliens: ...
NS: Team one has won.
F4 bants need to be inforced.
I can NEVER play a game and have the aliens not leave before winning offically.
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Me: GOOGOGO To your WPS.
Marines: ...
Aliens: ...
NS: Team one has won.
F4 bants need to be inforced.
I can NEVER play a game and have the aliens not leave before winning offically.
The problem is that most F4s occur long after the 'minimum time' has expired, means:
1) Kharra F4.
2) Admin has about 6 seconds to check the scoreboard and determine who F4ed. This is further complicated by trying to determine if someone has just JOINED the game and hadn't chosen a team yet, people that got STEAMed, etc.
3) Admin has to identify and memorize the names, find their steamIDs, ban, and then log it.
It's quite a hassle, and you're given very little time to do it.
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Seems like the sort of thing an elite coder could accomplish with some sort of plugin, though... Say, it keeps track of an F4, and then what you did immediately afterwards. If you f4 and then join the other time, no problem. If you f4 and then idle in the RR for 10 minutes while the game winds down, there may be questions to be asked. Sure, sometimes there may be a viable reason, but I can't think of one at the moment. If you have to go, quit completely. If you're afk for a minute, stand in a corner. Is such a thing possible? Dev/null I'm looking at YOU. ; )
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I think an interesting thing to do would have the server unbind f4, then bind 'exit' in its place, perhaps after a certain time after the round has started.
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Ooooooh. But if we're going to do that, it should be:
Bind f4 "say Hey guys, I'm an idiot who wants to quit just because the game isn't going his way. If there are any admins here, I SURE HOPE THEY DON'T BAN ME!!!!"
And then bind mouse1 to "say BANG!" because that's still the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life.
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Though I will of course obey the rules of the server, I don't see why conceding the game is so bad. Why prolong the game if it is effectively over? Is it truly fun to play a game that you have no chance of winning, or likewise no chance of losing?
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We all like to have our victories. There have been many times where I've stayed through the end of a losing battle trying to save the last hive, so the marines can have their victory. Its not much of a problem when an Alien victory is missed out on when Marines f4, but being a Marine (for me at least) is a bit more stressful. After doing all that work to win, you want to have that final donce as the hive goes down and you go in search of any fugitive Kharaa.
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i'm with civilian personally. whether i've commed to overwhelmingly depress all the aliens into F4ing or we get the ping of death, it matters little. the real game i usually won about 5 to 10 minutes before then.
but i toe whatever line there is to toe, so i use the banhammer on f4ers. BEWARE!!
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Well, it depends. Where do you draw the line really? I mean, I can agree with Grimm's point of view. If we've fought hard and long and that last hive is about to go down, I want to see it explode in a shower of alien goo so I can have something to write home about. If I'm on aliens and the marines have been turtling in their base for 30 minutes, hells yes I'd rather see them F4 than sit there welding everything that I just smashed.
But where do you find the exact distinction of when the game is clearly OVER and it's ok to quit? Maybe they've taken down two hives, but I've got fifty res and cargo's about to go back up and someone else has enough for an onos. Or that game we played last night, eh Owlzer? Anyone would have said it was all over for the marines, and rightly so, but we shoved on through and clutched victory from the jaws of defeat.
Worst examples of it that I've seen is people F4ing over tiny losses. OMG the marines took down double! Game over F4 F4 !!!
Thus the need for a hard and fast rule: If you join the game, you agree to play all the way through. If you do not intend to fight to the last man (or what have you), find another server.
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Let's see here Grimm:
(http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/html/emoticons/happy.gif) (http://www.lunixmonster.org) <--- ogm clicky
[URL=www.lunixmonster.net][IMG]http://www.lunixmonster.org/forums/html/emoticons/happy.gif[/IMG][/URL]
There you go!
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Well, it depends. Where do you draw the line really? I mean, I can agree with Grimm's point of view. If we've fought hard and long and that last hive is about to go down, I want to see it explode in a shower of alien goo so I can have something to write home about. If I'm on aliens and the marines have been turtling in their base for 30 minutes, hells yes I'd rather see them F4 than sit there welding everything that I just smashed.
But where do you find the exact distinction of when the game is clearly OVER and it's ok to quit? Maybe they've taken down two hives, but I've got fifty res and cargo's about to go back up and someone else has enough for an onos. Or that game we played last night, eh Owlzer? Anyone would have said it was all over for the marines, and rightly so, but we shoved on through and clutched victory from the jaws of defeat.
Worst examples of it that I've seen is people F4ing over tiny losses. OMG the marines took down double! Game over F4 F4 !!!
Thus the need for a hard and fast rule: If you join the game, you agree to play all the way through. If you do not intend to fight to the last man (or what have you), find another server.
i frequently pub at LM or Freaks but the worst example of f4ing i've ever seen had to be when we were on hera and as aliens we knew to block off hera from the rines since the general consensous (sp?) of the rines is to take hera right off. well needless to say we stopped them from taking hera and then bam the entire team f4ed
i personally hate to f4 since i think it is a lame way of ending the game but you know what sometimes things just make me want to break that like when a gorge sits in a vent near some dcs after all the hives are down. <_<
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Thanks LB. My sig in the NS forums is now a banner for the Lunixmonster as well.
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By "Playing all the way through", do you meen no F4ing or not quitting and F4ing? Ifs its no quitting to, then its a bit of a problem, beacuse someone might just have to leave for RL reasons.
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if I have to leave I just type 'quit' in console... I don't think I've ever F4'ed beyond doing it to change teams so they're balanced =o
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Hm.. Does this mean I am going to have to expand on this plugin I'm starting to include f4 blocking if the teams are equal?
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lol, well if you make the plugin also... I dunno 'pause' the game until someone volunteers to swap teams I guess so =3
mind you, you can change teams by typing 'jointeamone' and 'jointeamtwo' or something to that effect but I didn't know that back when I F4'ed to swap over ^^
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Most of the quits are still for the same reason, they just don't go to the RR so you don't know who to blame. If I ever have to leave the game, you'll always see me giving a reason and saying gg to everyone before I exit stage left.
Also, Gem, I thought you still had to be in the RR to use jointeamX. If I try it outside of the RR I recall getting a 'you are already on a team, go back to ready room, blah blah' error message.
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As usual, Bob is entirely correct: If you allow F4 after the game is "essentially lost", who is to judge that point? Therefore we need a rather strict rule saying "play the game or bugger off".
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As usual, Bob is entirely correct
Ahh, can I get this engraved on a plaque to mount on the wall? Lolfighter is clearly a man of great intellect and wisdom as he has recognized this fact whereas others still don't get it after years and years.
Also, so this isn't entirely a stupid spam post: There was an uber-annoying nubpumpkin in the server last night (legion-pattyann-420, something like that but with more l33t in the name) voice spamming and cussing everyone out, and not really playing at all. It actually sounded like two people on one mic. I begged for help in the channel and I believe the only thing they got was a 5 minute mute by an admin. The same person came back later and sat AFK doing nothing until we managed to admin_vote_kick them. (moved every few mintues, to avoid AFK kicker I can only assume)
The point is the stupidity level is rising and we need to be ever vigilant lest we drown in it. Snap bans don't make me feel bad at all, especially when someone is in the game only to be a pain in the posterior. Save the 5 minute mutes for regulars that are getting out of hand, don't give these CS rejects the benefit of the doubt.
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You could try decreasing the % needed for admin_vote_kick. They can only be started by reserved slot people anyway, so you wouldn't get some random noob doing a vote kick beacuse he thinks someone hacks or something.
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Or is it possible to make it that only res slots votes count? Or is this too complicated? Or is it possible to only make it take a percentage of those that actually bothered to vote? I hate trying to votekick an idiot on a full server and getting 7 for and 0 against and still getting the 'not enough votes' message. Just because the other people didn't bother or didn't know how to vote...
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That might work, but if you did that, and a person is the only one with a reserved slot on the server, it gives them the power to kick anyone.
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That might work, but if you did that, and a person is the only one with a reserved slot on the server, it gives them the power to kick anyone.
that is true, but everyone that has a res slot is pretty resonable, power in the hands of them isn't necessarily a bad thing. The regs are the ones who know LM well and know how the atmosphere should be, i dont see a problem letting them have the power to decide if a disruptive player should be kicked. Besides, it is just a kick, they're not being BANT or anything...
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This entire topic is pretty much a summary of why i'm taking time off from NS, and Half-Life in general. Plus, you play the same game for a year, you need a break :p
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Plus, you play the same game for a year, you need a break :p
hmm... maybe something's wrong with me... :(
I've been playin HL + HLmods for 6 or 7 years straight... back before CS... o_O
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wow, you're truly elite. Since HL is less than six years old and all.
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wow, you're truly elite. Since HL is less than six years old and all.
Interesting, considering that my HL CD is from when HL was simply a single player/multiplayer game, no mods, no plugins, nothing. The CD is from 1998
My WONID was 4 digits :p
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Hmm November 1998 HL went Gold.
It's January 2004...
I only count 5 years and 2 months, not '6 or 7' :p
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Yah. We're in EARLY 2004. HL came out in LATE 1998. Makes a big difference. :)
Four digit WONID? So what? I bought CS retail, mine was five digits.
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Hmm November 1998 HL went Gold.
It's January 2004...
I only count 5 years and 2 months, not '6 or 7' :p
Jesus - cut him some slack for a small mistake, you packhunters. :rolleyes: :p
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Plus, you play the same game for a year, you need a break :p
hmm... maybe something's wrong with me... :(
I've been playin HL + HLmods for 6 or 7 years straight... back before CS... o_O
Actually I was talking about how long ive been on NS, not HL.
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Pfft HL nubs...
*Gets all nostalgic for the Doom editing days*
But anyway, yeah, the influx of nubs is just getting unbearable. I find it hard to play an entire game without having to shout at some smacktard or just leave the game because it's getting ridiculous. It's not that i hate new players, it's just i hate new players that think they know everything, but are obviously new.
Is it possible to make a plugin that autokicks on certain words? I mean, it'd be cool to see people getting kicked for saying "nub comm", "f*g" or "dougan".
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One example of noobness I found was this.
Beginning of game, Crack was comm, and hes setting up his IPs, when some noob says he is a noob comm for his IP placement. Crack leaves for some reason after that, I get in the CC. Noob asks if he can be comm, I let him(I'm not a very good comm anyway). Noob isn't a very good comm(Not a total noob, but not very good). We lost the game(And they had sens first, not sure if it was agreed on that or not). Just found it a little stupid that the guy calls crack a noob comm, when he is a lot worse then crack.
Also, I have been seeing a fair ammount of people who have no idea how to play, and are general idiots.(Yesterday I had to report 2 idiots to LB for exploiting and complete rudeness).
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Is it possible to make a plugin that autokicks on certain words? I mean, it'd be cool to see people getting kicked for saying "nub comm", "f*g" or "dougan".
Racist slang (I'm sure we can all guess what I mean) and remarks like f*g should be an instant ban. But I don't want to see LM turn into one of those 'scrubbed with bleach sesame street servers' where you say 'sh*t' more then once and you get kicked.
(BTW LB while we're on this, can you change the auto censor on the forums to '****'? ###### is big and ugly :p
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be then again you gotta remember that most of the nubs are so nubbular because most of you regs with your years of wisedom have to much ego under your belt to help the nubs out...
i wont even begin to count the times i've seen hvy armor fall because someoen was to uptight to ask a nub for a weld, or show the nub around the map... these little things make a world of difference, and you will often win the round because the nubs will follow, its what their good at.
if you can lead, then lead, and if you are incompitant i'm sure you will be well aware of that fact in a short matter of time, or you will be smacked down to turret welding biotch by your comm. >:D
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I try to help the poor nubbets out. I really do. Ask crack about 'the professional'. Voice spamming, singing, annoying 11 year old sounding kid. But he was asking questions about how to play, and I was trying and trying to explain things to him. He didn't seem to be listening though, and eventually I had to give up. I'd LOVE to have a newbie ask how to get around the map, or how to build or evolve when it's actually useful. It's the ones that two minutes into the game are asking 'how do I become the big rhino alien!' and refusing to learn how to drop RTs and chambers, and then singing, badly. Those are the reason god gave us admin_vote_mute.
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I try to help the poor nubbets out. I really do. Ask crack about 'the professional'. Voice spamming, singing, annoying 11 year old sounding kid. But he was asking questions about how to play, and I was trying and trying to explain things to him. He didn't seem to be listening though, and eventually I had to give up. I'd LOVE to have a newbie ask how to get around the map, or how to build or evolve when it's actually useful. It's the ones that two minutes into the game are asking 'how do I become the big rhino alien!' and refusing to learn how to drop RTs and chambers, and then singing, badly. Those are the reason god gave us admin_vote_mute.
wasn't that "AzN Gh3TT0 PR3p" (or something like that)? He was in the server for like 3 days and then i guess he decided it was too hard or something. He kept spamming over the voice comm and following me around the map (he turned into my little underling minion >:D ) He kept yelling "I'm 12 years old!". Poor kid probably didn't even know what was going on... :blink:
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No, differant person. Didn't azn say she was a 7 year old girl?
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Seven year old asian girls? WHAT KIND OF SERVER ARE YOU RUNNING HERE????
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a hawt server
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Seven year old asian girls? WHAT KIND OF SERVER ARE YOU RUNNING HERE????
not only asian, but from da ghetto, da preppy ghetto dat is
Oh, btw, I just felt like taking pictures, so I snapped a shot of my HL case:
(http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/clone/chrisko/hlcd.jpg)
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Cool, now snap a shot of the back so I can swipe your key -- er... enjoy the rest of the CD case art. Yeah. Art.
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Seven year old asian girls? WHAT KIND OF SERVER ARE YOU RUNNING HERE????
not only asian, but from da ghetto, da preppy ghetto dat is
Oh, btw, I just felt like taking pictures, so I snapped a shot of my HL case:
(http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/clone/chrisko/hlcd.jpg)
dude you have way to much spair time... imho
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Here you go, the back of the case. :D
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Back of my case is an ad for Homeworld...
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the back of MY case is also an ad...
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How in the world did this degenerate into snapshots of HL cases? We've got to remember our proper enemies here: evil noobz0rs!
We now return to your regularly scheduled whining session.
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We should drop the newbie-friendly policy.
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but why wouldn't you want the people to be nice to you?
:ph34r:
I will now "tremble" in "fear" of pjofkys pre-teenangst witty retort >:D
Heya pjofksy, long time no see
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I think the newbie-friendly policy should stand. I mean, i was greatful when i started i had nice people to show me the ropes.
But one thing i do, and i have to, is deny newbs new equipment as a commander. Sorry, but i'm not trusting the fate of the game on someone who doesn't know how to weld another HA. Commed a game today, after some newb jumped in the chair and built a normal base, followed by 3 armouries. So i got going, and they were dropping like flies. Eventually i made it to HA, so two newbs got HA and Zazi got it too. Zazi was in dire need of welding and SOMEHOW was the only HA to survive an attack, the two newbs died near instantly.
So yes, show them around, but good god, don't give them a shottie or whatever they want and certainly don't trust them to hold their position and follow orders, because they won't.
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Whenever I'm on the server the newbie friendly policy is up in force. All questions are answered and anyone mocking newbies will be happily kicked or temp-o-bant.
However, idiots who jump in and don't want to learn, or just want to whine and cause problems and ruin the game for others will be dealt with just as swiftly. Adding new players to the NS community and making them feel welcome is everyone's responsibility! Enjoy the chance to help someone out.
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Whenever I'm on the server the newbie friendly policy is up in force. All questions are answered and anyone mocking newbies will be happily kicked or temp-o-bant.
However, idiots who jump in and don't want to learn, or just want to whine and cause problems and ruin the game for others will be dealt with just as swiftly. Adding new players to the NS community and making them feel welcome is everyone's responsibility! Enjoy the chance to help someone out.
and that's why i lub teh janitor!! ohh YEAH BABAY!!
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that is how it should be the old players helping the new so that they too will be able to return the favor sooner or later
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Whenever I'm on the server the newbie friendly policy is up in force. All questions are answered and anyone mocking newbies will be happily kicked or temp-o-bant.
However, idiots who jump in and don't want to learn, or just want to whine and cause problems and ruin the game for others will be dealt with just as swiftly. Adding new players to the NS community and making them feel welcome is everyone's responsibility! Enjoy the chance to help someone out.
and that's why i lub teh janitor!! ohh YEAH BABAY!!
^^
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Whenever I'm on the server the newbie friendly policy is up in force. All questions are answered and anyone mocking newbies will be happily kicked or temp-o-bant.
However, idiots who jump in and don't want to learn, or just want to whine and cause problems and ruin the game for others will be dealt with just as swiftly. Adding new players to the NS community and making them feel welcome is everyone's responsibility! Enjoy the chance to help someone out.
and that's why i lub teh janitor!! ohh YEAH BABAY!!
^^
fine fine, i lub you too!
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Well, now that we have the 3.0 server up, there has been a constant flow of new players on the server. A lot of them are so obnoxious that it's intolerable. I wanted to kick them so bad, but then the votes fail because there's a whole bunch more un-regulars on the server. Then the person on the vote to be kicked asks, "What did I do wrong?" after he's called people on the server various names relating to genitalia...
It's getting old very fast, I must say.
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Things are a little confused and aggravting right now with the two servers running. The admins are a little stretched and usually if we're playing on one, the other is unwatched. Jump in ICR and scream if anything really bad is going on, surely someone will answer your cries.
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Jump in ICR and scream if anything really bad is going on, surely someone will answer your cries.
you also might find us on that crazy contraption called IRC as well :p
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I jumped on to Lunixmonster the other nite for some 2.01 action, and I gotta say its pretty damn pitiful how terrible so many of these newbies are. I'm still confused as to how they found their way to 2.0, completely skipping past 3.0 and its combat-y newbie-trapness.
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So I thought this would be the perfect thread for my first post on this forum. I am Kitana. I have been gaming for around 4 years now. I started with Quake then CS. Then a CS clanmate taught me NS. I just loved it! It was like CS matches but with aliens. A real team game. CS was never a real team game IMO except in competition. So anyway, that guy stopped playing, and I kept playing. I got yelled at.... a lot. I remember the first time someone told me to weld them. Soo confused. Welding people... By now Ive been playing long enough that I not only get by, I actually help my team. At least I like to think so. Anyway, recently I have semi-forced ;) some of my friends into installing it. Now I am attempting to teach - all of the people I've convinced to try it - how to play it. And...........Guess where we're gonna play??? ROFL! I'm sure you're all excited! We are all adults and have been gaming for some time. Some have played NS before, most haven't (sorry). All are older and very experienced with gaming. And if you're wondering ...we will not be in the asshole nublet section. They are people that honestly want to learn the game, and it must be said we are all extremely cool. I discovered the server randomly, and Arch was polite and professional and invited me back. (bet hes sorry now rofl) I idle to support. We wear the tag [neo] which is a ns club just for fun. I'd ask if you see any of them in the server, try not to ruin their first impressions of the game. I'd much rather them play somewhere else then have them lose interest or become discouraged with the game because of how they are treated. (almost happened to me with that welding experience...) Reading this thread first, I see how your forum members feel about people that have no idea how to play the game. I hope the people that play on, and are involved with this server remember that we were ALL new to EVERY game we play at one time. If my plan, which is to actually have people to play WITH when I play, upsets any of the server's admins, regs, owners etc., then tell me now and we can find somewhere else to play. It's not a problem, but you gotta say it here and now. If not, see ya on the server. I'll be the one that just killed you :D
-Kit
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See, this is a newbie friendly server. We're GLAD to teach new people who aren't complete assholes. Stuff like:
"WTF HOW DO I BUY GUNS?"
"HOW DO I BECOME THE BIG ELEPHANT GUY?!"
"HOW DO I GET AMMO?"
"Use the armory."
"HEY HOW DO I GET AMMO?!"
"Use the armory, it's the big cylinder building."
"WTF HOW DO I GET AMMO THIS GAME IS :DED."
Or, one which I've been seeing a LOT lately and that really irritates me:
"WTF I DON'T GET THIS GAME AT ALL WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON THIS SUCKS."
Frankly, the basic concept of the game isn't that hard to understand. The problem with most of these newbies is they fail to understand that it's a TEAM game and that they can't go and make decisions for the entire team, IE, dropping the chamber THEY want as aliens (WHICH IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS SENSORY). Those who do that also hardly communicate, which is usually the best way to learn. The very first thing I did when I started playing NS was spectate for a round. Something I feel all of those new people should do.
I'm happy to answer questions, as long as they're polite.
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gah... new players and I'm not around to help out @.@
I don't know why but I really love helping new people into a game. Especially stuff like MMORPGs with huge worlds because I can take them on tours and stuff.
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We don't mind new people who actually try to learn. People who spam the chat (typing or vocal) we do mind. I also have a very high dislike for people that like to insult me or other regulars on the server using various names.
Also, if I kill you, never say it's because of my lag that you can't hit me. Honestly I was a skulk and killing a bunch yesterday, and they have the nerve to say I killed them every time because of my lag. If anything it messes me up more; I can testify that many people can hit me when I'm a skulk.
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See, this is a newbie friendly server. We're GLAD to teach new people who aren't complete assholes. Stuff like:
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"WTF I DON'T GET THIS GAME AT ALL WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON THIS SUCKS."
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Those who do that also hardly communicate, which is usually the best way to learn. The very first thing I did when I started playing NS was spectate for a round. Something I feel all of those new people should do.
I'm happy to answer questions, as long as they're polite.
i agree on all counts
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Kitana, all they have to do is say "I'm new at this game," and we'll gladly help out. I'll try to look out for your tag, but remember to say those magic words.
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There's an internal switch inside any ns player's head that goes off when a new player shows up. You can usually tell with the first thing they say what sort of newbie they are. If it's something like "I think I understand this game, but I'm going to need some help," that's beautiful. If someone comes in and sits in spec for a round, then joins, they get to be my best friend.
If it's more along the lines of "How does i becom elefant?" or "Where can I buys guns?" Well, we've covered all this before.
Also, this is not the server to learn how to comm on. If you jump in the chair and don't do anything, I'll tell you to get out. If you still don't do anything, I'll kick you right out of the server. The rest of the team is there to play the game, not to wait patiently while you figure out how to drop an HMG for yourself before you've even dropped an IP.
Anyway, urge to kill... rising. So I'll stop. Welcome to the server! We're happy to help you and your friends learn how to play and become better. We can always use more players ready to learn!
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Also, this is not the server to learn how to comm on. If you jump in the chair and don't do anything, I'll tell you to get out. If you still don't do anything, I'll kick you right out of the server. The rest of the team is there to play the game, not to wait patiently while you figure out how to drop an HMG for yourself before you've even dropped an IP.
rgr that !! also, when you get in the cc, COMMAND DANGIT!! COOOMMAAND!!
none of this snivelly
"i can't do anything without rts!!"
"uhh.. what do you guys think i should do?!?"
COOOMMMAAAND!! AAUUUUUrrGGHH!!!
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Don't worry... I have told my people to stay away from the comm chair. I stay away from it myself actually. (worse story than the welding incident..I'll spare ya) (or the time a guy saw me using an elevator as a skulk and let me know I could walk on walls - that was fun) The stuff I have learned so far, I learned by watching, listening, and occasionally someone being polite and saying "uh, you dont want to do that... because..." There are still things I dont know about the game. Since you are all being so helpful, I'll just go ahead and ask a question about being a gorge since when I am alien, I immediately gorge when I spawn. In your opinion what should a gorge do first? When the game starts. Someone taught me to build def at the base hive, is that correct? Or is it better to run to a node and drop res first? When I am a rine, I always run and secure nodes but as a gorge what are your first priorities? Honestly I usually build one def at the hive and then I run and look for nodes and drop them as I find them moving toward the closest possible 2nd hive location. Thats what a player told me once, and I have never gotten yelled at about it. Let me know. I love being a gorge, it makes me feel productive and useful. I would appreciate any gorge advice (not just on this particular issue) since I might be one of those people that Arch is referring to above that does what she wants when a gorge. Although ALL my gorge decisions stem from what i think is best for the team. A little more knowledge never hurt anyone, now did it? :)
Thanks
-Kit
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usually it depends on your team really =3
if I know the team is trust worthy I usually save for the 2nd hive right off the mark (I don't gorge, I go skulk to get RFK for the hive safe in the knowledge after the quick callouts who's doing start chamber, which ones are node capping and which is saving for what =D ).
if the team is super uncoordinated, I usually run to a node, gorge and cap it then worry about the chambers... but dropping a chamber at the start is ok too i guess ^^
Generally it's best to say on team chat what you're gonna do, see what the replies are and adjust accordingly (the worst reply being none at all =s ).
One thing that's fun about NS is that there's not always a one golden routine that is 100% the right way every time ^~
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Having all newbies is quite an annoyance, especially when I go back to Lunixmonster for some 2.01 action. I'm amazed and dumbfounded as to how they found their way to 2.0, even though 3.0 is 'new and more shiny'.
But its not always all bad. I was in a game where the rines had 4,5, and 6 nodes all game on ns_veil, but the comm didn't hand out heavies until 20 minutes into the game. The heavies proceeded to Sub Sector (3 of them, 2 Grens and an HMG). They started working on the res node there as I was Onosing, then started on the hive. I mov cham teleported in, stomped, devoured the HMG, gored the other two, and basically we began to win the game. The comm kept dropping Gren launchers for pretty much the rest of the game, didn't have many rines in base defending until I suicide rushed into it and took out some stuff, but we had basically won already. Good times, good times...
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My usual round start gorge strat is to quick drop an RT then go back to skulk and go annoy marines until I build up enough for another RT if we're low on them, or three chambers if we're doing OK, or another hive if we're doing very well. Staying as gorge for a while is usually not a very good idea unless it's planned out and a lot of other people are going to drop RTs and then skulk again immediately. A permagorge effectively takes one player off the team, so it's only good when you absolutely need one.
ALWAYS ask what chamber the team wants. If no one answers, I'll usually say 'ok, I'm dropping X' and give them a few seconds to reply before I do drop something. If the team asks for one thing and you drop another... Well, my patience has run dry for that. Not that you personally deserve my vitriol, but I've seen too many idiots drop sens first just because they think it's FUN.
Thanks for asking questions, please keep them coming!
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Hmm I guess there will always be someone with Grimm's helpful attitude. Mmm thx. Thanks for the advice the rest of you. I don't usually perma-gorge, but yeah, I do build most of the game. I've noticed most people dont want to do it. If I am asked to build something, and I have the res, I do it. I don't ask what everyone wants first though, but I do announce what I am doing. Until it gets where they can siege everything then I go to a more powerful alien to stop them. Good suggestions though, thx.
-Kit
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Probably late but Welcome Aboard Kitana, Ns needs more new players like you. <3
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Indeed, as long as they're not disrespectful or demanding it's not a problem.
I actually was comm with a team full of just new people once (about 4.) It was funny watching them marvel about all the new stuff they got, and then it stopped being fun listening about the stuff they wanted. I believe one asked for a 'one shot kill weapon'
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Yes, like bob said, its usually a good idea not to stay gorge if possible. Most of the time everyone should drop a node right away and then gestate back to skulk again. Its ok to have one or two permagorges, but anymore and the marines will walk all over the map unresisted. To me, aliens are more about slowing marine expansion than actually expanding themselves.
As far as the chambers, usually people ask for defense and then movement right off because those are the most useful for fade/onos. I encourage trying other chambers first, but make sure to ask your team before doing so.
Also, has anyone showed you how to make a "ball of dewm"??? kekekeke
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Become a jerk like I did, gets you respect from the newbs and they listen, and makes old gaming friends hate you. :huh:
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i hate you commie, and i hate goldfish for sending me to a hive as my first waypoint.
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gotta start somewhere...:ph34r:
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oh and, if you see CWAG on the server alone, stay as far away as possible.
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Most of the time everyone should drop a node right away and then gestate back to skulk again.
Against a competent marine team, you really shouldn't have more than perhaps four people drop nodes in the beginning, as you cannot realistically expect to hold more than five nodes against a good marine team in the early game.
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Most of the time everyone should drop a node right away and then gestate back to skulk again.
Against a competent marine team, you really shouldn't have more than perhaps four people drop nodes in the beginning, as you cannot realistically expect to hold more than five nodes against a good marine team in the early game.
Very true. So if I was comming, the aliens would have no nodes :p. Just kiddin'.
You definitely need around three skulks to torment the rines.
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I agree... Though even if they can't hold an RT for the whole game, more than five minutes will still be helpful to the whole team.
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I disagree, spew all the nodes at once and run....fast, fast, fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man. :help:
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Crap that makes me mad:
1) People who don't go to their waypoint. I don't mind if you go chase down a skulk/fade/gorge/onos, but I want to see you back at the WP after that.
Pissed off example: Team of four HA chase down an onos into holo from processing, kill it. I order them back to upper processing. They just stand there. Reissue wp. Standing there. Tell them over text go to WP. Standing. Commander has left the chair.
2) People who say "OMj C0rnm4nd0r j00 5ux0r" when they couldnt comm their way out of a paper bag. I've had a guy tell me I suck as a comm, I eventually got out of the chair from #1, he gets in, drops a TF two feet from the TF i already dropped in the base, spends about 100 res on turrets (and still leaves a blind spot on the TF he dropped).
3) People who say "owned" after every kill.
4) People who don't build stuff. Final siege on ventilation hive on hera, I have phase, tf, etc built in maintenance, I drop an armory, three people ignore it (we have something like 300 res, I'm not worried if they die) so when they go in and scream for ammo I tell them they should have built the armory. Thus my phrase "I don't drop stuff for you to stare at it, build it"
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Most of the time everyone should drop a node right away and then gestate back to skulk again.
Against a competent marine team, you really shouldn't have more than perhaps four people drop nodes in the beginning, as you cannot realistically expect to hold more than five nodes against a good marine team in the early game.
This is only true if the aliens are less than competant. Allso, something I STRONGLY, STRONGLY advocate is skulks working in PAIRS.
If anyone is interested, just let me know, and I'll show you what i mean. There are so many ways to work it. The gist of it, is that you both camp the possible routes of exit for the rines, find out which one they are gonna use, regroup, and ambush, usually when they are on their way back to base, or another node, that way they lose res AND time...
seriously, someone should try this with me... its a much different approach to skulking than BITE JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMP BITE JUMP JUMP JUMP BITE JUMP *die*
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Also, something I STRONGLY, STRONGLY advocate is skulks working in PAIRS.
Definitally, 2 skulks can take out an upwards of 4 marines with significantly more ease than 1 can take out 2, especially when using coordinated ambush tactics. The problem lies, not within the strategy, but rather in the common Rambo mindset. I love it when skulks just jump at my party, it makes them so much easier to gun down :)
Ulatoh, if we're ever on the aliens together, just tell me where and we'll go take out groups of rines with our 1337 teamworkhax :ph34r:
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hehe the other side effect of said tactics, is that afterward,when the marines see a lone skulk, they automatically assume the presence of at least one more, and RLH
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Meh, it has nothing to do with people being new. Its all about people being even bigger wankers than I can manage. Some people just tend to see things extremely narrow mindedly, and when for some reason things don't fit into their tight perception of what has to be "OMG COMM U SUX" or "HAX".
I've just basicly started playing NS 4 weeks ago, and didn't ask for teh shirtguns and jetpack, bitch people out of the commchair or throw a hissy fit the first 5 times I got voted out of the console (Hey, a comms gotta learn somehow :p ). Sure, I've impregnated the occasional armory, emptied an LMG clip into the first RT I ever encountered and have set off a Hive-under-attack alarm at the wrong moment - but nothing up to par with what some people manage for disruptive behaviour. Thats why I refuse to believe its all just because they're new, or might be new ;)
On the bright side, LMs one of the best servers I've encountered so far. At least,the last few games I had their were plain amazing - the whole marine team worked together, after not more than one prompting per person. That was just friggin sweet (so yeah, us loosing was probably down to the fact I was comming :/ ). And with an admin almost always handy to whine to if someone thinks knifing the CC is a good use of a playerslot, it cuts down heftily on the number of llamas.
So? LM++
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This is only true if the aliens are less than competant.
Unless the aliens greatly outskill the marines, whether the aliens can hold many nodes depends almost exclusively on how aggressively the marines play. Even Skulks working in groups cannot hope to defeat grouped marines with commander support with any reasonable consistency.
Although perhaps my judgment is biased in relation to gameplay on this server by the fact that I play on CoFR too. The marines generally play far more aggressively there.
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SaltzBad: Good to see you on the forums. I wouldn't worry too much about your comm style. I see that you're willing to try things out and see what works. Sometimes the strategies work, sometimes they don't, but at least you're attempting more than the standard IP, IP armory, TFac rush node strategy. It's nice to see something new. And, you're willing to get in the comm chair and take the abuse that comes with commanding. I get so ticked off at people that I don't even bother comming more than once every week or two.
Civ: Very true that marines have to be agressive to win. Territory and res control are much more important than people give them credit for. Time is the most important thing. For the marines they need to get nodes and tech rush. For the aliens, they have to stop this. Holy_Devil when commanding is always really good about keeping the aliens beat back and the marines teched up. I think this is part of why HD is hailed as such a good comm. Niteowl also. It's always FAST FAST. When I play aliens I'll rush to MS and just look around and can usually judge the game on what I see. Lots of marines standing around building a wasteful turret farm or humping an amory? GG, aliens just won. An IP and an elec'ed Tfac and no marines in sight? Uh-oh.
Edit: Speeling
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Holy_Devil when commanding is always really good about keeping the aliens beat back and the marines teched up. I think this is part of why HD is hailed as such a good comm. Niteowl also. It's always FAST FAST.
always nice to be a footnote to HD ;)
where is the LURVE BOB!!?!?!?! I NEED MORE LURVE!!
;)
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The reason why Niteowl is one of the best commanders ever is that he can take a group of almost total newbies and whip them into shape like professional marines. He's ALWAYS got a plan from the very beginning of the game, and he'll often tell it to the team. He keeps people moving and never lets them sit idle for a moment. This is a problem a lot of newbie comms have. They will let a team accomplish some goal, say securing a double res node, and then just sit on it while they ponder what to do next. Nite on the other hand already has two more things for you to do as soon as you've accomplished the first one. And he doesn't suffer rambos ignoring orders at all. I've seen Nite scream at a rambo until he comes all the way back to the objective even if he's moved off across the map. Niteowl's major strength is his momentum. He keeps the team moving so fast and hard that the aliens can't counter it. By the time someone on the alien team is yelling 'marines in datacore' the hive is already down and has been replaced by an electrified RT, a PG, and a turret farm with included armory.
If he could only get a better mic so I don't have to puzzle out his orders...
There, is that enough <3 for you? :p
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<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
THAT SIR!! is so much lurve, i dont' know what to do with it!!! unfounded, certainly! but stilL!!
and let me continue this lurve fest.
Bob, consistently makes the most subtle and no so subtlle, FUNNIEST posts on this board. i'll reply with LOL after everyone of his posts that make me laugh, but god, i'd then have a ridiculous post count like Uranium :S
also, bob is the ULTIMATE marine, he'll walk through a brick wall for you if you ask. nothing stops this guy from doing what you ask. not a WOL, 30 skulk, what have you. he can also shoot dang well. friendly, a straight shooter, and just a swell feller all around.
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So Niteowl, have you finally substituted tactics that are FUN (pg rush the hive) for tactics that ACTUALLY WIN GAMES (siege the hive down from safe distance)? :p
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I think the next comm that has a heavy train set up a siege base should be shot...IRL...or permbanned
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never had the honor of being commed by nite. He's never on when i'm on, and i'm never on when he's on.
I NEED MY DAILY NITE SUPPLIMENT DAMNIT
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I think the next comm that has a heavy train set up a siege base should be shot...IRL...or permbanned
Sometimes it's needed. There are always marines that can't walk in a hive and take it down with HA, HMGs and GLs (which is a sad thing). So sometimes, I think of it as just protection so they can maybe survive putting up the siege (otherwise skulks would own them).
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So Niteowl, have you finally substituted tactics that are FUN (pg rush the hive) for tactics that ACTUALLY WIN GAMES (siege the hive down from safe distance)? :p
yes, yes i have. i pretty much siege all the time now. :) and almost NEVER EVER have my rines shoot the hive.
PG/tfac/3sieges/smattering of shotteis for protection. kablooooie goes the hive :)
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never had the honor of being commed by nite. He's never on when i'm on, and i'm never on when he's on.
I NEED MY DAILY NITE SUPPLIMENT DAMNIT
if you've been commmed by HD, that's like.. waaaaay better than being commed by me. also, if we are on together, i wanna see yer pure, unmitigated, blossoming COMMRAGE!!! YEAH BABAY!! YEAH!!
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I think the next comm that has a heavy train set up a siege base should be shot...IRL...or permbanned
yes, what malevolent said. i've seen one too many heavy trains lose while trying to shoot a hive due to
-just a FLOOD OF skulks
-lots of healspray
-everyone too freaked out about losing 35 or so rez of equip to weld
-everyone reloading their hmg at the same time
-a nice smattering of ocs.
so yeah. pretty much, i'll try and siege most of the time. i can't really think of hwen i wouldnt'.. oh, if most of the aliens are dead, the ones tahta re alive are skulks, and i have a SIEGE base outside then, yeah, i'lllet my rines get a few shots on teh hive.
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*cough* postcount ++, Nite *cough*
But yeah, I know what you mean about heavies not being able to take down a hive. And I just won't stand for it when I (rarely) comm. If I've got the whole team standing outside the hive all wearing heavy armor with HMGs, GLs and SGs, by god, they are going to SHOOT THAT DAMN HIVE. I've had a whole heavy train of less than good marines go down trying to take a hive, simply because they wouldn't move in, they kept standing right outside and walking around in circles like scared puppies. (not even OC spam to deal with, not that an HA train should be terribly worried about that)
I dropped another heavy train (had excellent res control, so I got lucky here) and sent them right back, along with lots of screaming and shouting. They finally got that hive down, and the next, and the next, and it was all done without the benefit of a TFac and sieges. I don't like sieges too much, I guess. Aliens don't ever get the luxury of such a device, and marine turret farms can be much worse than OC spam. The aliens HAVE to rush in and deal with it up close and personal. I think the marines should be just as capable, especially when decked out in the finest gear the TSA has to offer.
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If they would make their be some equivalent, heck... what if they made an upgrade to web that cost alot of res that disabled structures for a few seconds?
it would be basically the same
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Well the alien "equivalent" to a siege is several onos protected by umbra. However, even this isn't nearly as safe as camping in a hallway surrounded by turrets while the comm pings the hive down. Plus, I'm of the opinion that an actual hive assault with nothing but a phase gate and maybe an elec'ed TF to keep feeding the marines into the hive is a lot harder to counter. With a siege base a single onos becomes a huge problem. All your marines and important structures are all in one spot. Running into the hive and spreading out means that not only are aliens trying to take down the whole team at once, they've also got that PG in the back to worry about, constantly feeding in more marines...
And... it just doesn't feel so lame. :(
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HA-training a hive works supremely well, especially if the Aliens are on the offense. Yesterday while comming on TeamHoward, that exact thing happened : We held 1 hive and casually about ~6 RTs. We were doing fairly well ressource wise, had nothing except base and hive eleced, all the upgrades necessary were there (MT, PG, L3 Weapons, Armor1) but of course at this point the Alien team starts overrunning the Hive we have (10 minutes into the game approximately).
My team goes into its usual shouting of "OHMYGAWDCOMMUSUX BUILD TORRENTS NEXT TIME!", and this is where it gets funny. Not having built any expensive defense we had a whopping 180 res spare - enough to deck out the whole damn team in HAs, shottys and welders (7 player team, 6 in the field). We train out, run to Maintenance hive, setup a backup PG just in case and about 2 minutes later that hive is down. Another 5 minutes of blowing up almost everything on the map and aliens are down another 2 hives, from what seemed minutes before to be a simple win for them.
I'll still often siege for pubs, just because a) I have the res b] people on pubs can be so damn unreliable. 3 'rines out of 8 possible can hold down the siegebase, but they can't kill the hive by themselves. All in all though, siege really isn't awefully unfair - its usually easier for decent aliens to overrun a siegebase than a moving HA train.
But meh, basewrecking for Aliens when they're defended by 'rines is teh frustration ticket :/
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i ca...n feel... the r ... rage... ..COMMRAGE burning inside of me...it consumes...me......must release.....the ...co COMMRAGE
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i ca...n feel... the r ... rage... ..COMMRAGE burning inside of me...it consumes...me......must release.....the ...co COMMRAGE
you are ready, my disciple, go forth and rage on good sir!!!
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it's hard to imagine sonic being anything more than cute and cuddly, let alone angry, with that lion avatar of his =3
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well thats what 3+ years of constant bulllying and abuse does....:Ding school :(
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in the immortal words of the grunt:
Mah shrink says i need an outlet for mah agression
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Just wondering, since the usual tolls public play takes seem to be annoying more than a few people here (although I barely consider myself a regular :p ) : How about occasionally pugging on LM during peaktimes?
Check if the majority logged in at the time is for it and able to commit about ~40 minutes, lock the server with a pass and load up any reasonably balanced ns_map. 2 captains/comms, ladi lada - I'm sure you've all done it alot more than I have/ever will.
The quality of play is usually alot higher in such games - teams tend to be fairly even since they're hand-picked, teams are more coordinated because they get a few minutes beforehand to set down roles for everyone and best of all theres practically no partypoopers in such games (f4ers, joining during the match, annoying spamming, friendly fire, whatever).
The only problem I see is with the whole reserved slots thing. If you'd hand out the password to regulars and they join, they could still kick public-slotters (me usually :p ) off the server, which really sucks during a pug. Even if their intention was only to spectate :/
Either way, just an idea. Good matches are hard to come by in NS, but they're totally worth it ;)
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As a matter of fact, Lunix did have Reserved slot nights for a while, where once a week we would lock the server and would either have wacky fun hijinks or a big serious game. Due to complications, it is discontinued until further notice. I like your thinking, though :D
Also, the annoying party poopers, I would think, are rare enough already. f4ing, spamming, friendly fire, and recycling are all potentially, if not instantly bannable. I hardly see them :)
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And if you see 'em one minute, they're gone the next!
Lunixmonster: Banning the NS community one smacktard at a time.
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YES, LF! You have been sigged!
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Sit down Bob....
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Sit down Bob....
Oh man, that's how Uranium gets his postcount. Witty and insightful posts like that.
Anyway, weren't we busy complaining about newbie problems in this thread? Or has it turned into yet another spam fest?
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it would be cool if NS was like Americas Army somewhat, like u gotta do 1 player training missions which teaches the basics before u can join a server, and the server could set as beginner, recruit, soldier, and veteran, so lm could be veteran , and to be a vet all u haf to do is beat like 3 basic missions, and it wouldnt be a complaining craze becuase before u even get to PLAY(unless u play at ur friends house or sumthing)u have to do em, like itll put u up agiasnt a lvl 1 skulk and teach u how to build, shoot, *goto WP's* and thats about it really. this would be more effective then *OMG READ TEH MANUAL NUB!!!*
Key: * * = MANDITORY!!!
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What we really need is a Hazard Course designed specifically for NS. Also we need people to pop up behind the miscreant new player and pull a "Clockwork Orange" and chain them to the chair and tape open their eyelids and make sure they play.
Unless they are good newbies and spectate and read the manual and such. Then nothing so horrific is necessary.