Overly Chatty Penguins
The Ready Room => Off Topic => Topic started by: Leaderz0rz on June 26, 2004, 01:59:54 AM
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Security experts have uncovered a serious loophole in Microsoft's Internet Explorer web-browser, it has even been recommended by some that users utilise other web-browsers until this exploit is fixed.
Cert said: "Users should be aware that any website, even those that may be trusted by the user, may be affected by this activity and thus contain potentially malicious code."
In its round-up of the threat the Internet Storm Center bluntly stated that users should if possible "use a browser other then MS Internet Explorer until the current vulnerabilities in MSIE are patched."
Antivirus firms are presently working on definitions for the exploit. Further information can be found from the source link below.
taken from osnn.net
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3840101.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3840101.stm)
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Firefox wins again!
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In even more shocking news reveled today, web browsing experts have discovered that internet explorer, in fact, and I quote, "sucks the big one." There are reports, unconfirmed at this hour, but enjoying much popular support, that people who use intertet explorer exclusively may be "complete idiots."
Hey, don't shoot me, I'm just passing along the news.
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yes, an orfice in a sea of security holes
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i wonder if they just reuse the same "IE is borked up the wazoo, use something else until we patch it" spiel for ever. single. time. they get haxed...
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But I like IE :( No other damn browser has ever been something I liked, and the reason for that is IE is like part of the OS. I tell it to open, it opens, instantly. I don't like having to wait 1-2 seconds for a browser when im going to be spending a whole 5 seconds clicking a link and checking some reference for mapping or such.
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BOO i only use IE cuz its simple and quick all the other ones look so dum a noobish. if i have it and not use it is that ok? what other browser could i use that simple and fast
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http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/)
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i use avant browser which has the same user friendliness as IE
it can be found here (http://www.avatbrowser.com)
edit: i also have firefox tbh
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(avant is a pretty skin on the IE engine... don't trust it, it will eat your children when you're not looking)
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But I like IE :( No other damn browser has ever been something I liked, and the reason for that is IE is like part of the OS. I tell it to open, it opens, instantly. I don't like having to wait 1-2 seconds for a browser when im going to be spending a whole 5 seconds clicking a link and checking some reference for mapping or such.
ABS, my mozilla open in 5 seconds.. by open I mean launch, display ctrlaltdel, gpf, penny-arcade, lm.org forums, and another forum site, and gmail. I can just check all the sites I need to at one time, and not have to type in url's over and over again. Its like a home page, but better ;P
Mozilla has a quick launch feature that preloads everything, so it launches instantly.. I suggest anyone with mozilla use it
18mb of memory for instant launch is worth it all :)
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FireFox opens faster than IE for me, like ½sec but faster!
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I remember a day when everyone was "ogm netscape and aol suz0rz use Internet Explorer it si teh r0x0rz". I wish people would make up their damned minds or just shut up.
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I remember a day when everyone was "ogm netscape and aol suz0rz use Internet Explorer it si teh r0x0rz". I wish people would make up their damned minds or just shut up.
Firefox is quite a bit different than netscape. When the Netscape navigator browser was opensourced in 1999 (or so I think I recall), the Mozilla team built Mozilla on it - however it's important to keep in mind that they streamlined and refined it to make it the far greater browser that we see today in Firefox.
So yeah - it was based on Netscape, sure, but definitely isn't the same thing. There is very little (I can actually think of nothing) that IE has over Firefox. Firefox is simply faster, more intuitive, easier to use, and better looking. Now that I think, the only downside to Firefox is the need to install flash into it to get any .swf's to actually play.
Otherwise, it was a complete no-brainer for me :blink:
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I have FireFox on my system and use it from time to time for various reasons, and as bob said avant isnt a different browser. I've just never liked any other browsers, I'm picky <_<
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FireFox for teh win!
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IE has very few things over other browers:
Its IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of, its built into windows, ffs
ActiveX (That really isnt an advantage, but you need it for windows update)
All this just makes me want to get steam working in freebsd more and more :/
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So, firefox is THE browzer to have?
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So, firefox is THE browzer to have?
Pshh - if you wanna be cool and hang with this hip crowd.... B)
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But I like IE :( No other damn browser has ever been something I liked, and the reason for that is IE is like part of the OS. I tell it to open, it opens, instantly. I don't like having to wait 1-2 seconds for a browser when im going to be spending a whole 5 seconds clicking a link and checking some reference for mapping or such.
thats because windows preloads it, tell it not to by setting another browser to default and not allowing windows to load ie and you'll shave a few seconds off of your boot time
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sorry for the double, but to secure your computer and knock ~10s off of your bewt time, go to add/remove programs --> set program access and defaults (tab) [note the circles]
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Ok, sucking it up and downloading firefox. I've been using IE for as long as I can remember, so this'll be a bit weird. Is there an option to import my IE favorites??
EDIT: Also, I've been trying to find a replacement for Outlook Express. Anyone know of an e-mail program which can work with Hotmail?
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Ok, sucking it up and downloading firefox. I've been using IE for as long as I can remember, so this'll be a bit weird. Is there an option to import my IE favorites??
EDIT: Also, I've been trying to find a replacement for Outlook Express. Anyone know of an e-mail program which can work with Hotmail?
Mozzilla Thunderbird?
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It should automatically import your favourites , and i think it asks you if you want to import them or not when you install it.
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erm, one question about firefox, how do you allow the resizing of frames? Such as the nav frame of the LM site
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oh, fine, i'll add a freaking poll to this.
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Isn't fire fox and mozilla the same thing?
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While IE is prone to the more serious known vulnerabilities right now, Firefox users shouldn't forget that there is currently a way to spoof links that works on Firefox. In fact, Safari on the Mac platform is one of the only browsers that doesn't have a known link-spoofing vulnerability at present.
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mozzilla comes with e-mal client, html editor etc. firefox is just the browser
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mozzilla comes with e-mal client, html editor etc. firefox is just the browser
mozzilla IS a browser though? Wouldn't it be like asking, what internet brower do you use, IE6 or microsoft?
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Mozilla is a BROWSER mozilla.org is the company :D
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Mozilla is a slightly different browser from firefox actually. Same code base, but different implementations. Firefox is a wee bit dumbed down, actually. You go to the options for mozilla and you get lots of collapsable menus and radio buttons and drop down boxes and such. Do the same in firefox and you get like 5 menus with big bright shiny playskool brand buttons. :p
And firefox has a seperate search bar while mozilla lets you search from the address bar, and I hate clutter on my browser window. I have too much of it on my computer desk...
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I agree with bob on this one. My choice would be Mozilla due to its simplicity and how it doesnt take up much space on my task bar. It is faster, somewhat, I find compared to IE but the only thing I dislike about it is probably that I have to get the programs again such as Flash or Shockwave. And the spalsh screen can get a bit of an annoyance but overall I rate it way better than IE. The search bar is also a handy tool that came with it and has the best popup killer ever.
Overall rating on Mozilla: 9.4/10
Is Firefox that faster than IE/Mozilla?
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okies, mozilla is the company. they made gecko.
gecko is the rendering engine behind netscape and firefox
gecko was completely rewritten when netscape "lost" the browser war
after gecko was finished, mozilla formed the firefox team to write a wrapper for gecko (originally called phoenix, then firebird, then firefox)
\o/
edit: mozilla browser for linux is a port of netscape ... methinks
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Well I decided to look into firefox a bit more, and I found another annoying thing. It alphabetizes my favorites and wont let me reorganize them into the order I want <_<...and now I see I can scroll the page with the wheel when I'm in a typing box, which makes it harder when I wanna peek back to a post I wanted to comment on :p
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Go to manage bookmarks to arrange them in the way you want.
So far, I'm not finding firefox much better. It doesn't let me use Microsoft Virtual Machine, which is WAY better than Sun Java. At first it felt slower, but then I realised its because IE won't display alot of the webpage until most of it had downloaded. FireFox was indeed faster. Couple other annoying little things...meh, guess I'll keep it, BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO WHINE ABOUT IT! :angry:
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it does have its annoy things, but the good things outweigh the bad
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erm, one question about firefox, how do you allow the resizing of frames? Such as the nav frame of the LM site
*bump* I know how to view only that one page, but I can't figure out how to make the frames resizable... :help:
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What happens when you use like 4 browsers at once?
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nothing?
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What happens when you use like 4 browsers at once?
RIAA kills you.
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If I'm going to make the switch, and put up with the things I dont like, there is one thing I need help with. I've set firefox to default and all, everything works correctly except double-clicking links in mIRC still opens them in IE :help:
edit: pictures on my hard drive (gif jpg png) still open in IE too, and when I tried to change the opening program via control panel > folder options > file types to firefox, it didn't work, just sat there and did nothing when I tried to open one :(
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IE still thinks it's your default browser. When you first opened firefox it should have given you a dialogue box saying 'make firefox your default browser' or something of that sort. Did it not?
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mIRC might still have a glitch when it comes to default browser... open mirc.ini in your mirc directory.. .there should be a line with "browser" on it.. it points to IE no matter what you do
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So I switch to firefox, right?
OH MY GOD THIS THING IS SLOW, plus most of the things I'm trying to do don't even work. Hell, I right-click -> properties on this 'bookmark bar' and it doesn't do anything. GG.
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i also switched to mozilla. it loads images slow. i don't like it. but if it is safer, i'll put up with it.
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i also switched to mozilla. it loads images slow. i don't like it. but if it is safer, i'll put up with it.
The more often you use it the faster it will get.
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IE still thinks it's your default browser. When you first opened firefox it should have given you a dialogue box saying 'make firefox your default browser' or something of that sort. Did it not?
Yes it did, and I told it to be default. Everything opens in firefox like it should except those two things I mentioned.
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Mmhmmm no shockwave support either. Oh boy this browser rules because it has.... TABS! (Which I've... yet to use)
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Mmhmmm no shockwave support either. Oh boy this browser rules because it has.... TABS! (Which I've... yet to use)
All you have to do is DL the dealio's, After that shockwave and flash both run fine.
Acctually sometimes the tabs are pretty neat, like if you have a whole ton of thumnails, just open them all at the same time in tabs and kill each tab as you finish veiwing the picture. Most of the time it is just a slightly more convienient window system though <_<
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if you have a whole ton of thumnails
(Pr0n)
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Still say it sucks:
Reasons:
1) It often doesn't remember 'page position' when you click links, like IE does, so you have to scroll way the hell down the page again if you go 'back'. This is a MAJOR pain in the ass on forums.
2) You can't 'open' .exe files, you MUST save them somewhere. Big downer here, because I work with a lot of little files like such.
3) No google toolbar. Instead I have to use this ass ^^ :D :p bitch 'plugin' toolbar which is about 60,000x more inefficient, uglier, and no autofill!
4) Mousewheel scroll is 'overridden' by typing in a field, such as this one... have to click out of the field to scroll.
Reasons it DOESN'T suck:
1) ...
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1) It often doesn't remember 'page position' when you click links, like IE does, so you have to scroll way the hell down the page again if you go 'back'. This is a MAJOR pain in the ass on forums.
2) You can't 'open' .exe files, you MUST save them somewhere. Big downer here, because I work with a lot of little files like such.
3) No google toolbar. Instead I have to use this ass ^^ :D :p bitch 'plugin' toolbar which is about 60,000x more inefficient, uglier, and no autofill!
4) Mousewheel scroll is 'overridden' by typing in a field, such as this one... have to click out of the field to scroll.
Reasons it DOESN'T suck:
1) ...
1) does for me
2) i don't know wth you wouldn't want to save the .exe file, but, ok.
3) i have a google toolbar, and i have it integrated with other searches (i can search imdb, dictionary.com, and a bevy of others) and it autofills.
4) wth are you doing typing and mouse scrolling at the same time, you some sort of weird mutant octupus sea monkey or something?
Reasons it doesn't suck:
1) no haxing it.
2) automagically pops popups.
3) i have a plugin installed where i can shut off anything i want on a page, CSS, images, etc.
4) i can break up frames if i want to (can you do this in IE? i can't remember).
5) it doesn't create that awesome IE thread hanging bug, where ie keeps some weird ass process running that you have to go to task manager to kill.
6) tabbed browsing.
7) i can actually go to my favorites, and it's a damn HTML file, compatible to other systems and ^^e like that.
8) the coders are still goddamn supporting it.
9) it's not bloatware.
10) i can get skins for it that don't rape my system with spyware up the digital rectum.
11) i can download a file off multiple sites, and firefox will actually combine the bandwidth of all the sites.
12) my google bar can be added (i can add a ton of different sites i'd want to search).
13) it's shares it's name with one of the bestest jet movies (with clint farking eastwood for dang's sake) EVAR! of course.. that's prolly just nostalgia setting it.
14) if i was so inclined, i could code plugins for it without going through the Byzantine structure of "Undocumented Hooks" taht MS is so famous for.
15) as long as i'm not a executing-.exes-in-my-browser-weird-mutant-octupus-sea-monkey-using-mouse
-and-keyboard-to-surf-intarweb-using-grumpy-as-a-rio-janeiro-transvestite
-with-my-braw-on-backwards-puter-person-it's good enough for me. :p
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Google tool bar:
http://googlebar.mozdev.org/ (http://googlebar.mozdev.org/)
And don't use firefox, be a real man and just use mozilla.
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Oh boy, found a new fun bug - It keeps telling me to update to 0.9.1... and... I'm RUNNING 0.9.1...
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The many pages that screw up. Firefox goes out of its way to tell us that it's not THEM there's something wrong with, it's the page designers that use html code wrong. The end result, though, is that it works in IE, but not in Firefox.
Reminds me of what the danish weather forecast once jokingly said: "Our forecasts are always right, it's the weather that's wrong!"
Still have to use it. After that spyware ordeal, I have to choose a safe product over a working product. Why can't I have both?
Update: Also, Firefox 0.9 seems to crash the UBB Admin Control Panel. Or maybe it's the other way around. Looks I'll have to downgrade, yay!
Conclusion: Dual browser usage until Firefox becomes stable. Which means that I'll still have to use IE. Which means that my security is still compromised. Sadly, this means that the gains from using Firefox are only PARTIALLY improved security. My computer is still vulnerable, just less so than it was before.
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Yeah, Duel browsing for teh w1n!
I once in a while stumble upon a webpage that firefox can't view, that's when I start up IE.
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How many times do I have to say use mozilla instead of firefox?
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How many times do I have to say use mozilla instead of firefox?
more times than you have so far, apparently :p
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Mozilla is based off of netscape browser, and I hated that thing.
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Firefox is based off Netscape too.
Why should I use Mozilla though? Because of the more complicated options? Or because I'll get- advanced e-mail and newsgroup client (I don't use newsgroups, do all my email via browser)
- IRC chat client (I use mIRC, and can't be bothered to migrate when I see no reason to do so)
- HTML editing made simple (I don't edit HTML)
There's just no reason for people like me to get Mozilla. I'll pass.
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OK well i have swiched over to firefox and i must say it is the best browser i have ever used. If you still use IE or some other old stoopid browser i sugest swich over to the most painfree and userfriendly browser of alll firefox!
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Why should I use Mozilla though? Because of the more complicated options?
Ah, where you see more complicated options, I see more variety for individualized control of my browser. And it's really not that much more in depth, but it is still preferable to firefox. All the complaints about firefox I've seen here, I've never seen in mozilla. So :p
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Hey bob, I'm interested in the more advanced features of the Mozilla browser. I'm using FireFox right now, and I enjoy that. I don't need the email capabilities (go gmail!) or the IRC (Hydra), and as for HTML editing, I always use Macromedia Dreamweaver or sometimes MS Frontpage. I'm purely interested in the extra couple of options. Is it worth the switch and having all that crap that I won't use (and could possibly annoy me)? or should I just stick with FireFox?
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You can choose not to install chatzilla (IRC).. as for the rest, you won't even know they are installed (They reside on a small toolbar in the bottom left of the screen)..
They don't pop unless you want them to
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http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,64085,00.html (http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,64085,00.html)
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Firefox is based off Netscape too.
okies, mozilla is the company. they made gecko.
gecko is the rendering engine behind netscape and firefox
gecko was completely rewritten when netscape "lost" the browser war
after gecko was finished, mozilla formed the firefox team to write a wrapper for gecko (originally called phoenix, then firebird, then firefox)
firefox != netscape
firefox is a brand new wrapper for a brand new rendering engine which just happens to have the same name as the old one (same company though, but a mostly different team)
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Another little beef with firefox - it doesn't figure out the size of images first (like IE does) and move all the crap around on the screen before it's loaded - The result is that viewing an image-heavy page causes the text to fly and scroll all over the place, so you have to wait for every image to load before you can read anything.
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Call me a lucky nub, but I've never really had trouble with IE. I may get around to using Firefox or Mozilla when I go off to college in a month. We'll see.
Oh, and uh, hi.
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Firefox FTW
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IE cuz i'm nub and really don't care to change.
currently my excuse is "i have favorites set up on ie, i don't wanna do it all over again on firefox/whatever"
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IE cuz i'm nub and really don't care to change.
currently my excuse is "i have favorites set up on ie, i don't wanna do it all over again on firefox/whatever"
Translation: I'm a lazy n00b.
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IE cuz i'm nub and really don't care to change.
currently my excuse is "i have favorites set up on ie, i don't wanna do it all over again on firefox/whatever"
Firefox automatically imports your favorites from IE.
Your excuse is flawed.
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*cries*
FINE, i dont' have an excuse, BUT! i still haven't done it! HAH!
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*cries*
FINE, i dont' have an excuse, BUT! i still haven't done it! HAH!
the lazy force is strong in this one, emperor... ;)
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Another little beef with firefox - it doesn't figure out the size of images first (like IE does) and move all the crap around on the screen before it's loaded - The result is that viewing an image-heavy page causes the text to fly and scroll all over the place, so you have to wait for every image to load before you can read anything.
If that's the only reason you're not using Firefox, it's a fairly minor one.
This is not the exact thing you're talking about, but you can have Firefox display images as they load instead of placeholders like it normally does.
There are various ways to set an advanced preference... I prefer this method:
1) In the address bar, type "about:config"
2) Find the setting"browser.display.show_image_placeholders", or if it doesn't exist, add it, type boolean
3) Set it to false.
Now then, keep in mind that the thing you describe is caused by image tags that don't have widths and heights pre-set... This affects BOTH browsers equally. Are you sure you're not just viewing different websites in IE and in Firefox?
EDIT: The fix I posted above will HELP the issue, as as soon as images start loading the browser will know how big they are.