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Title: Do You Like People Irl
Post by: GrayDuck on August 24, 2004, 05:54:40 PM: So, something has been bothering me. I need to know if this is *MY* problem or if others do it too.

I meet someone – right off the bat I don’t like them. It’s not so much that I HATE them, just don’t know or trust them well enough to give them my ‘stamp of approval’. Often, the passing of time and shared experiences will make me change my mind. Other times my ill feelings get stronger. I’d like to think that I don’t treat new people poorly – I just don’t open up to them easily.

Someone said once:
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Always assume new people you meet are assholes. That way later on you will either be pleasantly surprised, or you can take pleasure in knowing all along.
Ok – so that’s the jest of the quote – I may have botched it. But it’s something I’ve come to live by. I get a lot of grief from my husband and friends and they have me thinking that I’m an unwelcoming closed minded person – but I swear, that’s not the case!!!

So, am I a ‘grumpy bitch’ or normal?
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Post by: Isamil on August 24, 2004, 06:00:28 PM: I've never heard that quote, but I follow it. I hate people in general.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 24, 2004, 06:02:45 PM: It's been my experience, as I go through the world, that the vast majority of humanity is an incredible waste of air. Maybe that's partially to do with taking a lot of jobs with customer service components. But I suppose I deal with people in a similar fashion. I can usually tell right off if someone is mean, stupid, or (the worst crime of all) dull. And after getting to know them better, that usually proves itself true.

Most of it probably comes down to personality types. Most people you meet here will probably be introverted to some degree or another. That, and most people around here will probably have a slightly higher IQ than the average. Thus, most people you meet out in the real world by comparison seem pushy and dumb. Without pontificating too much, I'm betting this is why people gather in online communities like this one. It gives us a chance to talk to people of similar interests, with similar personality types, who don't go around saying stupid things all day, and whom we can walk away from whenever we don't want to be bothered anymore. ;)
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Post by: Diablus on August 24, 2004, 06:08:51 PM: psh, i love meeting new people.

I prefer being a disease at meeting people, i meet a few people, i meet their friends, i meet their friends, and it goes on ^_^

Im a friendly person and can basically deal with anyone, even if they're assholes I really just ignore it and people for some reason never hate me because im respectable and funny, and sweet, and ..."cute <_<"

but i don't meet people on the internet, And i don't really "hate" any LM'ers i know of the Internet because you really can't tell how they act outside the internet world so you really can't "judge" them.

Like me for instance, in LM ill admit at times I can be a asshat, a idiot, and "piss" people off sometimes. But when im not on the internet talking to you LM'ers im a pretty damn good citizen ^_^ and im sure the same goes for MANY others here
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Post by: Dubbilex on August 24, 2004, 06:10:02 PM: grumpy bitch :p

I kid, I kid. I feel mostly the same way - I owe nothing to people who I've just met and treat them that way.
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Post by: Dark on August 24, 2004, 06:10:09 PM: i do that too grayduck
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Post by: Uranium - 235 on August 24, 2004, 06:37:19 PM: I have my own reasons, which, alas, I cannot share, for distrust of people (I've made some hints at this overall-encompassing reason in other posts. Yes, it is the same reason, and yes, it is weird, and no, you won't know until it's time). Feel free to scheme on these reasons :D Ultimately it's not something I conciously do. If I meet someone it takes phenomenal effort on my part to put a neutral step forward.

Everything will be explained in time...
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Post by: Dubbilex on August 24, 2004, 06:51:05 PM: how long is 'time'?
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Post by: devicenull on August 24, 2004, 07:53:12 PM: Well, I've long since learned that most people are assholes, so they see a different side of me then everyone else. So people wonder wtf is up with me, but who gives a ^^.

Nah, thats fine.. I do it all the time
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 24, 2004, 07:56:06 PM: Nope, not just you Grayduck. I believe that Bob's theory has some relevance to the phenomenon that I too share.
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Post by: Black Mage on August 24, 2004, 09:58:33 PM: i take the scientific approach:

i bear no opinion until sufficient data has been collected to warrant one.
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Post by: tankefugl (in a tent) on August 25, 2004, 05:32:46 AM: New people are OK. There is little to fear from them.
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Post by: SwiftSpear on August 25, 2004, 07:00:36 AM: Meh, I don't have anything at all against new people I meet, I always treat people how I would like them to treat me. I've grown to hate humanity in general, but I rarely find a person I can honestly blame it on, and even when I do, they are ussually so minorly responsible that I can't help but feel bad for disliking them.

Trust is a different issue, it takes me a long time to really trust people, even when I like them in every other way, I really have to know a person before I will trust them even in the slightest.
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Post by: lolfighter on August 25, 2004, 07:54:53 AM: I've found that this approach works best: I don't expect people to be perfect. Rather, if they're more good than bad in my opinion, then that's enough for me. Heck, if somebody agreed with me on all points and I couldn't have a row with them every once in a while, where'd the fun be at?
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Post by: Asal on August 25, 2004, 09:55:56 AM: I'm anti-social. Online I don't have much of a problem, but IRL, it takes me a long, long time to come to trust people. Until then, I don't really feel very comfortable around them too much.
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Post by: Niteowl on August 25, 2004, 09:59:01 AM: ICWB

and

i usually like most ppl, i'm fairly agreeable. and can be the life of the party. but i can only handle ppll in smal doses. and i'm also .. fairly extreme. i'm either by myself all day, or at a party cracking ppl up with my funny ass tail feathers. that's a true story. yes, that's far too much than you'd like to know about me. tough meeces.

and yes, most of us are introverts here. read this article, and you'll probably identify with it. if you don't, WTH AREYOU DOING HERE?!? YOU BLOODY USED CAR SALESMAN TYPE PERSON WHO LOVES TO BE AROUND PPL 24/7 !! GET OUTTA HERE! YAR!! HOOT! AND SUCH AND SUCH!!

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The Atlantic Monthly | March 2003

Pursuits & Retreats
Personal File

Caring for Your Introvert

The habits and needs of a little-understood group

by Jonathan Rauch

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o you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an introvert on your hands—and that you aren't caring for him properly. Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain scans, that introverts process information differently from other people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.

Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am not morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long conversations that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests. But at last I have self-identified and come out to my friends and colleagues. In doing so, I have found myself liberated from any number of damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Now I am here to tell you what you need to know in order to respond sensitively and supportively to your own introverted family members, friends, and colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with every day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person nuts. It pays to learn the warning signs.

What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the expression. Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on," we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm okay, you're okay—in small doses."

How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on this question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer: About 25 percent. Or: Just under half. Or—my favorite—"a minority in the regular population but a majority in the gifted population."

Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in life. "It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an introvert," write the education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa Kaenzig. (They are also the source of the quotation in the previous paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people. They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and yipping.

Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing, extroverts are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which only the garrulous are really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush. Look at Bill Clinton. They seem to come fully to life only around other people. To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top in politics—Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon—is merely to drive home the point. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled aloofness and privateness were probably signs of a deep introverted streak (many actors, I've read, are introverts, and many introverts, when socializing, feel like actors), introverts are not considered "naturals" in politics.

Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we introverts ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more peaceful sort of place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down and keep still?" (He is also supposed to have said, "If you don't say anything, you won't be called on to repeat it." The only thing a true introvert dislikes more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)

With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also dominate social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our extrovertist society, being outgoing is considered normal and therefore desirable, a mark of happiness, confidence, leadership. Extroverts are seen as bighearted, vibrant, warm, empathic. "People person" is a compliment. Introverts are described with words like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn," "self-contained," "private"—narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest emotional parsimony and smallness of personality. Female introverts, I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles, particularly in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being what they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women, lacking that alternative, are even more likely than men to be perceived as timid, withdrawn, haughty.

Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts. Also, it is probably due to our lack of small talk, a lack that extroverts often mistake for disdain. We tend to think before talking, whereas extroverts tend to think by talking, which is why their meetings never last less than six hours. "Introverts," writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an online review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction by the semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts don't outwardly complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse the darkness." Just so.

The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their 98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the etiquette books—written, no doubt, by extroverts—regard declining to banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit, it will not be impolite to say "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful person and I like you. But now please shush."

How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and respect his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's the matter?" or "Are you all right?"

Third, don't say anything else, either.

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Title: Do You Like People Irl
Post by: -Lancer- on August 25, 2004, 10:11:09 AM: Quote
WTH AREYOU DOING HERE?!? YOU BLOODY USED CAR SALESMAN TYPE PERSON WHO LOVES TO BE AROUND PPL 24/7 !! GET OUTTA HERE! YAR!! HOOT! AND SUCH AND SUCH!!

What exactly do you have against salesmen nite???(shrugs)
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Post by: rad4Christ on August 25, 2004, 10:25:24 AM: I generally always give someone the benefit of the doubt. No matter first impressions, I always try to find one positive in someone, and see them in that light. It's not alwyas easy, and that doesn't mean everyone is my closest friend, but it helps when you deal with people who are less friendly. I've seen alot of people that I categorize easily, they fit the category, but as I really get to know them, the reasons why they may be "assholes" becomes evident. Then at the very least, I understand them, even if I don't agree. I try to take the biblical approach, love every one for who they are, and look past any negatives, no matter how big.

In my own case, what you see is what you get. How I am at my work, home, social life, church, internet, IRC, gaming, should all be the same in my opinion. I try not to put on any masks or use any venue to try to be someone I'm not. Transparency is the key.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 25, 2004, 01:06:46 PM: I guess I'm a bit of both... depending on the day =P

Most of the time I'm happy with or without people. When out and about it's not uncommon at all for me to strike up conversations with total strangers for random reasons (yesterday I overheard someone talking about films; he couldn't remember the title of it and I just had to jump in and help by giving them the answer which resulted in appreciative smiles and a small chat to keep me occupied while waiting for some friends I was meeting =3 ).

I don't hate people at all... I do hate jerks though. If I think you're one of the few people who fits into 'jerk' when I see you I'll probably still be civil but you'll have to do a lot to convince me otherwise of my initial opinion of you. Luckily it seems I'm alarmingly good at judging people's characters off the bat so my stubborness has never been a problem and I've even identified a few totally annoying people long before others finally realised how two-faced or nerve-grinding they are ^^

Sometimes I enjoy time on my own though... mind you saying that I guess I'm just thinking of the times my 'me time' is broken by my stalker coming in for me. He really pisses me off but I feel sorry for him for some reason so I don't get on at him; go figure ~shrugs and sticks tongue out~
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Post by: Uranium - 235 on August 25, 2004, 01:42:38 PM: Quote
I don't hate people at all... I do hate jerks though. If I think you're one of the few people who fits into 'jerk' when I see you I'll probably still be civil but you'll have to do a lot to convince me otherwise of my initial opinion of you.
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Post by: Magmatron on August 25, 2004, 01:55:10 PM: I'm free and easy with everyone I meet. If I get bad vibes from a person, I treat them coldly.
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Post by: Clashen on August 25, 2004, 02:45:37 PM: I don't like the whole 'human' concept at all.
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Post by: That Annoying Kid on August 25, 2004, 03:35:45 PM: When I chose to light up I can talk with pretty much any person and am generally outgoing, some people like me, but I irk others with quirky ways
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Post by: SwiftSpear on August 25, 2004, 07:00:58 PM: Quote
I guess I'm a bit of both... depending on the day =P

Most of the time I'm happy with or without people. When out and about it's not uncommon at all for me to strike up conversations with total strangers for random reasons (yesterday I overheard someone talking about films; he couldn't remember the title of it and I just had to jump in and help by giving them the answer which resulted in appreciative smiles and a small chat to keep me occupied while waiting for some friends I was meeting =3 ).

I don't hate people at all... I do hate jerks though. If I think you're one of the few people who fits into 'jerk' when I see you I'll probably still be civil but you'll have to do a lot to convince me otherwise of my initial opinion of you. Luckily it seems I'm alarmingly good at judging people's characters off the bat so my stubborness has never been a problem and I've even identified a few totally annoying people long before others finally realised how two-faced or nerve-grinding they are ^^

Sometimes I enjoy time on my own though... mind you saying that I guess I'm just thinking of the times my 'me time' is broken by my stalker coming in for me. He really pisses me off but I feel sorry for him for some reason so I don't get on at him; go figure ~shrugs and sticks tongue out~
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I can say with reasonable positivity that you are an introvert. I always jump into conversations with people but I am fixidly introverted. Its not like a disablity that prevents you from haveing normal social encounters with people, or some wierd thing that doesn't allow you to enjoy talking to people. It simply is a peronality trate that governs certain aspects of your life in a slightly irregular way.

Just from the fact that you say that you when you sence something about someone you are always right. Extroverts generally have terrible people senses, they easily jump to illogical conclusions and rarely contomplate probablility systems. Introverts are less likey to pick up the name of everyone in the room or be able to tell you what someone is wearing at any given point, but they often have immaculate perceptions of deeper going ons, because they are fuled by thier energy to focus on other people, not fuled by other people focusing on them.

If you talk to an introvert you can be reasonably sure they know you quite well. If you talk to an extrovert expect to be added to the list.
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Post by: Grimm on August 25, 2004, 09:41:24 PM: I like how Swift is suddenly the expert on the subject. :p

Anyway, whenever I meet somebody new, I take some time to see how they act and what kind of attitudes they have. Minor annoyances about a person are easily ignoreable, and most often I can get along with a lot of people. There are people I find especially annoying and I do what I can to avoid them, although if I have to converse with them, I make my statements short and frank. That usually gets them bugged and they leave on their own.

Personally, I don't go out of my way to meet new people randomly. If there's someone sitting across from me on the city bus ride home, there's pretty much a definite chance that I'm not going to greet them and start a conversation. People don't usually try to start conversations with me either because I focus on things other than the people around me, and wear my headphones most of the time. However, if somebody I know introduces me to people they know, I don't have a problem greeting them and asking them general conversational questions, again going back to finding out what kind of person they are.
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Post by: Legionnaired on August 25, 2004, 10:10:32 PM: I myself are rather introverted, but I still love people. Small talk bores me, but I could talk about philosophy or theology, or theoretical physics, or chemistry for hours on end.

I like talking to new people, seeing what makes them tick, seeing their wants and needs, and seeing if I can help meet those. If not, then I become pleasent company, if so, then I seek out a strong friendship. Floating around in groups usually bores me, but all in all, I like being in a crowd of friends, even if I'm not involved in conversation with any of them.

Soo... Yes, I like people.
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Post by: Uranium - 235 on August 26, 2004, 01:54:29 AM: Quote
how long is 'time'?
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I don't know :) It might be shortly, it might be a while, it could even be after LM is dead and gone. I have to... prepare myself though. This isn't the easiest thing I plan on doing, I can't (Okay, I could but I probably wouldn't survive it) just get up and do it right now. Funny thing is, if I asked, I know several people who would come with me, or at least consider the idea. Unfortunately this is something I have to do myself (Cue speculation).

But back on topic, I do regularly make the effort to 'get along' with people, and can do it VERY well, usually to the point of getting exactly what I want... >:D
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Post by: SwiftSpear on August 26, 2004, 02:55:19 AM: Quote
I like how Swift is suddenly the expert on the subject. :p

Anyway, whenever I meet somebody new, I take some time to see how they act and what kind of attitudes they have. Minor annoyances about a person are easily ignoreable, and most often I can get along with a lot of people. There are people I find especially annoying and I do what I can to avoid them, although if I have to converse with them, I make my statements short and frank. That usually gets them bugged and they leave on their own.

Personally, I don't go out of my way to meet new people randomly. If there's someone sitting across from me on the city bus ride home, there's pretty much a definite chance that I'm not going to greet them and start a conversation. People don't usually try to start conversations with me either because I focus on things other than the people around me, and wear my headphones most of the time. However, if somebody I know introduces me to people they know, I don't have a problem greeting them and asking them general conversational questions, again going back to finding out what kind of person they are.
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Post by: Venmoch on August 26, 2004, 03:32:50 AM: Well I'm off to Portsmouth University soon, so I'll have to get along with new people. Mainly becuase I'm going to be in a flat with 4 other people I don't know.
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Post by: lolfighter on August 26, 2004, 08:21:49 AM: Interesting article. Has actually made me question whether I'm really as introvert as I see myself.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 26, 2004, 10:28:05 AM: That article was truly great, Nite. Couldn't have described me better. Now I need to let my girl read it so maybe I won't have to answer the question 'What's wrong?' ALL THE TIME. Nothing's wrong. I'm just not feeling chatty.

I suppose about now someone should link to a test (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp) so we can all run through it and find out that most of us are introverted. (I'm betting mostly INT*s) So, take the test and post your scores already!
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Post by: GrayDuck on August 26, 2004, 11:20:50 AM: Quote
Now I need to let my girl read it so maybe I won't have to answer the question 'What's wrong?' ALL THE TIME. Nothing's wrong. I'm just not feeling chatty.

Well - when you have a grumpy look and say NOTHING, I'M FINE. Of course she's going to keep asking you. My damn husband does the same thing daily and I bug him with "whats wrong" because most of the time there IS SOMETHING on his mind that venting or talking would help with. Plus if he snaps back NOTHING!!!! then it's only logical to assume that there's a HUGE issue most likely involving me that is making him be a crabby pants. Sounds like me and 'your girl' have a lot in common. It's not US that have to change - it's you! ^_^ PS... In your perfect world, what should she (or I) do in those situations - ignore you and sit in silence??

On a different note:
Your Type is
ISFJ
Introverted - 67%
Sensing - 33%
Feeling - 50%
Judging - 33%

You are:
distinctively expressed introvert
moderately expressed sensing personality
moderately expressed feeling personality
moderately expressed judging personality
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 26, 2004, 11:58:02 AM: INTP --
Introverted 78 Intuitive 56 Thinking 1 Perceiving 100

I'm always wavering right on that line between thinking and feeling, but I always seem to fall into the thinking camp by a scant 1 or 2% whenever I take the test. Curious, that. Wild differences between me and duckeh, though. Except for high 'I' scores on both, which I could have told you before we took the test.

And I think the problems you're talking about come from the differences between the last three categories. You should have your guy take the test and see what he comes up with. INTP maybe?
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Post by: rad4Christ on August 26, 2004, 12:29:34 PM: I was wondering when the Myers-Briggs would come into play. Anyway, I'm :

Your Type is
INTP
Introverted 11%
Intuitive 67%
Thinking 1%
Perceiving 33%
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Post by: GrayDuck on August 26, 2004, 12:55:28 PM: I made him take it >:D

Quote
iNFj

Introverted 22
Intuitive 56
Feeling 22
Judging 11

sounds close in the descriptions, but not right on.

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Post by: Dirty Harry Potter on August 26, 2004, 01:24:17 PM: I'm so cold D:

Your Type is
ISTJ
Introverted 78
Sensing 1
Thinking 33
Judging 11
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 26, 2004, 01:35:31 PM: All the borderlines we're getting are pretty interesting. Me and rad4 are both borderline thinking/feeling, and DHP is borderline intuitive/sensing. Weird. It makes me wonder how the test works. Is it an either/or proposition, where it tries to pigeonhole you as either the first or second type for each category? So if you answer 'yes' to a question that adds a point to 'thinking' does it subtract a point from 'feeling' automatically? Would a test that didn't do this have me as 49% feeling and 51% thinking?
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Post by: devicenull on August 26, 2004, 01:36:12 PM: INTP
Introverted 89
Intuitive 11
Thinking 100
Perceiving 56

Doesn't surprise me in the least
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Post by: Isamil on August 26, 2004, 01:46:31 PM: INTP
Introverted 100%
Intuitive 33%
Thinking 89%
Perceiving 56%
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Post by: Black Mage on August 26, 2004, 02:44:58 PM: INTJ
Introverted - 89%
Intuitive - 89%
Thinking - 78%
Judging - 1%
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Post by: Uranium - 235 on August 26, 2004, 06:13:45 PM: Bob, as much as we all might appreciate that quiz, posting things like that tend to drag threads down to nothing but stat spamming, and I almost always am convinced that nearly everyone doesn't answer truthfully, and answers the questions to get the results they want everyone else to see. For instance - DHP apparently has a score of 1% sensing. I call BS on that one, and anyone who talks to him in IRC would probably agree. I know he's a lot more compassionate then I am. This is like those 'what kind of world leader will you be' quizzes and people answer questions with answers like 'KILL ALL THE JEWS', even though in real life they probably can't even crush an anthill without feeling bad. Quizzes tend to just degrade to contests of who is the best/worst or who won.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 26, 2004, 06:25:09 PM: Negative, sir, try to understand the concepts before you bash them. For one thing, sensing doesn't have anything to do with what you seem to have interpreted it as. Sensing in this terminology means using your 5 senses to interact with the world. It means understanding the world by what your see and hear and smell.

By contrast, the alternate category there is intuition, which is exactly what it says, using a sort of sixth sense or intuition or basically something besides basic scientific method to understand the world. Impressions, leaps of faith that work out, that sort of thing. None of these categories imply that a person is somehow 'worse' than another person.

All that said, I'm finding this thread insightful towards understanding the people that I game and chat with all day long. So people, keep up with the data, I for one am very interested in it.
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 26, 2004, 09:11:32 PM: Results for Bob ^_^ :

Your Type is:
INTJ
Introverted   67
Intuitive    11
Thinking    67
Judging       67

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
* distinctively expressed introvert
* slightly expressed intuitive personality
* distinctively expressed thinking personality
* distinctively expressed judging personality

According to other tests and quizes, I'm considered a Visual and Spatial / Logical Thinker

The Portrait of a Mastermind (INTJ) (http://keirsey.com/personality/ntij.html) and Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Judging by Marina Margaret Heiss (http://typelogic.com/intj.html). Holy :D. These are so dead on that it's scary, especially that second one. I'm one who doesn't naturally want to take immediate charge, but, like told in the article, assumes responsibilities when others show their inabilities. (Company Computer Guy from SNL, "what do you mean reformat my hard drive, what's that mean" "MOVE" *tickitey tick tick ticky ticky* "There, now was that so hard?" :p ). If you wish to know what kind of a person I am, please read these articles.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 26, 2004, 09:45:19 PM: See, that's interesting. I think Uranium's just being a sourpuss. Come on, mr meanie, take the test yourself and share your deep dark secrets with us. :p
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 26, 2004, 10:03:51 PM: Quote
See, that's interesting. I think Uranium's just being a sourpuss. Come on, mr meanie, take the test yourself and share your deep dark secrets with us. :p
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Aye, I was very surprised in the degree and depth at which this applies to me. Let's hear your story, Uranium

Hey Bob, could you tell me the definition of all the other traits? Such as Judging, Preceiving, etc.? Or could you direct me to a list of the attributes and definitions? I'm curious to know what, exactly, these mean. I find this to be quite an interesting subject.
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Post by: Keyser59 on August 27, 2004, 12:47:17 AM: Type: ISFP
Introverted: 11
Sensing: 11
Feeling: 11
Perceiving: 22

# slightly expressed introvert
# slightly expressed sensing personality
# slightly expressed feeling personality
# slightly expressed perceiving personality

Hey cool, I'm a Michael Jackson or a Paul McCartney.
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Post by: Niteowl on August 27, 2004, 01:00:06 AM: damnit, i was taknig it with my sloppiest and most mushy parts of my exaggerated and.. well, just DAMNIT

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
33 11 1 33

pretty much all gamers, i'd think are IN something. usually intj. it's SUPPOSED to be rare, but not in teh intarweb, is my very qualitative finding.

i'd say about 50% of those responses they ask for, it's really a "well, it DEPENDS" it totally depends given more information how i'd truthfully answer.
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Post by: rad4Christ on August 27, 2004, 09:29:29 AM: NiteOwl: last time a took this test (2 years ago), I was working in IT, and I was slight "E" (Extrovert), so I was ENTP. I don't remember my exact score, but I was very close to I. I'm a little more introverted (which I had already noticed berfore this, and I intend to "get out more"), but the rest remains.

Uranium: This is a great test. Our entire IT department took this test along with a class to better understand how to interact with one another in our workplace, and it did help alot. Understanding I like to "fly by the seat of my pants" and my coworker has to have every single detail maticulously planned out can help your communication with said person.

Bob: You're right. It is interesting how borderline works. For instance, I retook the test, and I have a bad memory, so I have no idea what questions I answered differently, but now my score is different:

For FYI:

E - Extrovert | S - Sensing | T - Thinking | J - Judging
I - Introvert | N - Intuitive | F - Feeling | P - Perceiving

The closer you are to 0%, the more middle of the road, the stronger the Percentage, the more of that type you are. For instance:

100% Sensing----------------0% In Between---------------100% Intuitive

These are both of my results. Yesterday I was sick and not in a well mood, and today I feel much better and I am in a good mood, so this may suggest attitude while taking the test alters results.

First Test:

INTP
Introverted 11%
Intuitive 67%
Thinking 1%
Perceiving 33%

Second Test:

ENFP
Extroverted 11%
Intuitive 56%
Feeling 11%
Perceiving 11%

Third Test:

ENTP.
Extraverted (E) 61% Introverted (I) 39%
Intuitive (N) 77% Sensing (S) 23%
Thinking (T) 65% Feeling (F) 35%
Perceiving (P) 68% Judging (J) 32%

I basically went the opposite direction of the first test by an average of 16, stronger on my perception and Introversion.

I am now:

slightly expressed extrovert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
slightly expressed feeling personality
slightly expressed perceiving personality

It's funny that I would swing so widely on Thinking/Feeling, but my wife is a strong feeler, so I try to stop and consider that in making my decisions more often, so that would explain the adjustment.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 27, 2004, 11:51:52 AM: Quote
rad4Christ,Aug 27 2004, 10:29 AM]
E - Extrovert | S - Sensing | T - Thinking | J - Judging
I - Introvert | I - Intuitive | F - Feeling | P - Perceiving
Actually it's N - iNtuitive (to avoid confusion with Introvert). But otherwise that was the prettiest post I've seen in a long while. Also what did I say? Tons of INT* people. :D

Edit: Also, Nite being J instead of P supports an idea I've had, that good comms will lean more towards judging instead of perceiving. Because J types are more inclined to want to make a decision based on the best info they have, whereas P types lean more towards getting more and more information, and thinking about it, and then getting more information, and then pontificating for a while, followed by some crunching and maybe later some mental processing. And never come to a decision. Which probably explains why I can write 30 page diatribes on commanding strategy, but when I do get in the chair (rarely) things just fall apart. Whereas Nite just hops in a says 'GO HERE'. While I'd be thinking so hard about where to send people and how to focus strength and what build order to use and where the aliens might be, and where the aliens THINK we'll be, and where they think we think they'll be.... that by the time I give orders, the team's already run out of base and gotten killed ten times over.

Edit Edit: Curious, I went and took a different test, one that actually shows both sides of the equation. This one swiped wildly over from T to F. Weird.

Your personality type is INFP.

Introverted (I) 100% Extraverted (E) 0%
Intuitive (N) 95% Sensing (S) 5%
Feeling (F) 70% Thinking (T) 30%
Perceiving (P) 82% Judging (J) 18%

Everything else is pretty much standard though. It's that feeling/thinking line that seems to waver back and forth so much. I'm betting that will change a lot just depending on one's mood. The OTHER test, if you're curious, is here (http://www.kisa.ca/personality/).

The "I'm talking to myself by now" Edit: That second test also allows for halfway responses, so you get less of the test trying to force you into one way or another. All in all, a superior test. Someone should bump this topic so I can stop editing to myself.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 27, 2004, 04:07:56 PM: I'm too lazy to do two tests so I just did the first one :p

ENFP

Extrovert - 33%
Intuitive - 44%
Feeling - 67%
Percieving - 56%

The extrovert is no surprise... I've never ever done a jung test and not got E lol. Infact, I get E_FP almost every time; the only thing that changes even over the years seems to be it flickering between intuitive and sensing for me, though it's mostly intuitive =3

And stop being silly U, I'm not avoiding you ~huffs and crosses arms pouting~
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 27, 2004, 10:14:31 PM: I took the second test that Bob posted.

Your personality type is ISTJ.
Introverted (I) 93% -- Extraverted (E) 7%
Sensing (S) 58% ----- Intuitive (N) 42%
Thinking (T) 85% ----- Feeling (F) 15%
Judging (J) 86% ------- Perceiving (P) 14%

It seems that my Sensing/Intuitive scores change with mood, as they continuously flip-flop between eachother. One thing is for certain, I'm a I_TJ. The Sen/Intu score is realistically balanced between them.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 27, 2004, 11:03:50 PM: This thread actually helped me out a bit. Nite's posting of that excellent article prompted me to look more into the whole concept of introversion, and there's quite a bit of data out there. Google away, if you're curious. It's just nice to know that I'm not the only person in the world who despises people trying to make small talk. If you don't have anything to say, why are you interrupting my reverie? I sit alone at lunch and read a book. I can't stand loud or annoying interruptions. TV and radio commercials drive me mad. My friends seem to think I'M the crazy one, always muting the TV or turning down the radio when commercials come on -- some of them going as far as to actually turn it back up! ARGH! I never could understand why anyone would want to listen to loud worthless drivel blaring out at them when it was so simple to turn it off. Turns out that extroverts are energized by such things. Extroverts tend to LIKE distraction, whereas introverts find it quite horrible. I like just sitting alone and enjoying solitude. I hate being dragged out to parties. I get a lot of flak about being 'anti-social'. Now I know there's not anything abnormal about that at all. Well... I always knew there was nothing abnormal about it. It just always seemed curious that I was the only normal person in the world and everyone else was so abnormal. ;)

That's why this topic has been so interesting to me. It lead me to do some research into a part of myself that I always knew was there, but never really put a name to, or gave any attention to.
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Post by: Asal on August 27, 2004, 11:18:52 PM: For the record:

ISTJ

Introverted - 78%
Sensing - 56%
Thinking - 33%
Judging - 44%

very expressed introvert
moderately expressed sensing personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality

Just in case you care. <_<
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 27, 2004, 11:52:52 PM: Quote
Just in case you care. <_<
I do care, that's why I keep shamelessly bumping this thread. (but in the proper way, bumping to add new and insightful and fascinating information) I'd love it if all the regulars would take five minutes to finish one or the other of those tests and post the results. Like I said, I find it fascinating to learn more about people.

Edit: Just found a page that nicely sums up the different types (because I just noticed that Sati posted asking for more info a few posts up... oops, sorry!) Check here (http://www.socionics.com/main/types.htm).
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Post by: Uranium - 235 on August 28, 2004, 01:26:02 AM: Quote
See, that's interesting. I think Uranium's just being a sourpuss. Come on, mr meanie, take the test yourself and share your deep dark secrets with us. :p
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What was that Seinfield? Where George was saying:

"My life is a lie. Everything I do is a lie. No one knows the real me. I don't even know who I am."

Then in another episode:

"It's not a lie if you believe it."

You may deduce what you will from that and my other forum posts. I shall need not a silly test to prove otherwise.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 28, 2004, 05:44:57 AM: heh... after looking at bob's thingy (the link! the link!!! >< ) I'm definitely a feeling percieving person =3

"are interested in people and their feelings"
"evaluate things by ethics and good or bad"
"can be touchy or use emotional manipulation"
"can start many things at once without finishing them properly"
"work productivity depends on their mood"

2 major points in intuitive always apply to me though...

"are interested in everything new and unusual"
"do not like routine"

the rest is kinda bleh for me so I can see why I flip-flop between the two often with the aspects of intuitive in those two points probably being what weighs me more towards the intuitive side ^^

I get irked by people who turn off the volume for adverts though or flick channels when the ads hit ><
Mind you I also get miffed with my mum when she tries to make small talk with me if I'm watching something or when she talks to me when I'm on the phone with someone else... she's the only person I know who does either =P
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 28, 2004, 10:46:49 AM: Quote
You may deduce what you will from that and my other forum posts. I shall need not a silly test to prove otherwise.
Okay, I'm deducing that you're probably an E/ISFP. I can't really tell if you're introverted or extroverted, as you can't tell anything from forums. The former type will communicate madly on the internet (me, for example) but in real life prefers people to just bugger off and leave them alone. And extroverts can be forum whores just as much as anyone else. Of course, my guess could be entirely wrong, and you might be hiding an INFP behind a facade for all I know. But you did invite deduction, so that's what you got.

And this isn't exactly a 'silly test'. It's a commonly used psychological tool. I get the feeling that you're eqating this in your mind to something like the 'WhAt SoRt Of CaReBeAr ArE YoU???' tests that you see floating around live journal and other such places. Believe me, it's not.

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I get irked by people who turn off the volume for adverts though or flick channels when the ads hit ><
Burn in the lake of fire, you evil evil person!
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Post by: Geminosity on August 28, 2004, 01:41:57 PM: I'm not evil, I'm just extrovert... and pretty... and wonderful... and modest? :huh:
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Post by: Dirty Harry Potter on August 28, 2004, 02:47:40 PM: Quote
"are interested in people and their feelings"
"are interested in everything new and unusual"
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Yet you never visit us!, we're people...we're unusual! ;_;
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 28, 2004, 02:47:57 PM: Quote
It's just nice to know that I'm not the only person in the world who despises people trying to make small talk. If you don't have anything to say, why are you interrupting my reverie? I sit alone at lunch and read a book. I can't stand loud or annoying interruptions. TV and radio commercials drive me mad. My friends seem to think I'M the crazy one, always muting the TV or turning down the radio when commercials come on -- some of them going as far as to actually turn it back up! ARGH! I never could understand why anyone would want to listen to loud worthless drivel blaring out at them when it was so simple to turn it off.
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Thank god, I thought I was the only one. Glad to know that there are other normal people out there besides me <3
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Edit: Just found a page that nicely sums up the different types (because I just noticed that Sati posted asking for more info a few posts up... oops, sorry!) Check here (http://www.socionics.com/main/types.htm).
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I found similar pages. Shortly after taking the test my first time, I did quite a bit of research on the topics, patterns, etc. I think that it's a very interesting subject. And I was extremely surprised by how close to home the test landed for me.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 28, 2004, 03:07:31 PM: I don't visit much because I spend too much time on the net as it is and I'm a chat addict. If I went on IRC or spent too much time on the forums I'd be there all day... I already know from experience. Think of it less as me being away often and more of it being you guys are addictive and I don't want to get too hooked ^~

~pokes bob~
what if the person interrupting your book had something reaaaaally cool to talk about? Is it annoying then or just small talk? What defines small-talk? Is it a personal taste thing in which case your big talk could be small to other people? =o
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Post by: Asal on August 28, 2004, 03:55:20 PM: Quote
~pokes bob~
what if the person interrupting your book had something reaaaaally cool to talk about? Is it annoying then or just small talk? What defines small-talk? Is it a personal taste thing in which case your big talk could be small to other people? =o
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Small talk to me: Something that isn't important, intriguing, and thought-provoking. An emergency also eliminates something's classification as 'small talk'.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 28, 2004, 04:52:25 PM: Small talk is any conversation that you could break off without ever caring to pick it up again. Talk along the lines of 'how ya doin?' or 'how about this weather?' or 'where did you get that cute hat?' and so forth. Things that people say just to fill up silences. Empty words. If I'm having a real conversation, it'll be about something I find interesting or important or at least entertaining. And if it's interrupted, I'll want to go back to it when possible to finish off the thoughts involved in it. I've noticed that some people seem instead to want to make conversation about nothing, and don't care at all if it's interrupted by something else. Hell, often they can get totally distracted by something WHILE you're talking to them, and not care at all if you finish your sentence. It's at this point that I wonder, 'why am I wasting effort on this person?'

The most interesting point I got from my reading into the subject, is that extroverts become energized by interaction with other people, while introverts become drained by it. So when I felt like the person blathering on to me about the weather, sports, last night's episode of crappy reality TV series, etc. was literally sucking the life out of me -- hey, turns out it's true! Go find another extrovert and feed off of them, you can both talk and not listen and energize yourselves that way. Meanwhile, I'm going to be in the other room. With the door locked. Reading. Because that's how I recharge, by not having to bear up under the weight of your loud, boisterous, inattentive world.
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 28, 2004, 05:52:58 PM: Quote
So when I felt like the person blathering on to me about the weather, sports, last night's episode of crappy reality TV series, etc. was literally sucking the life out of me -- hey, turns out it's true!
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Yarr! Those damn Life-Sucking Extrovert Vampires!

I found another test that includes the embj (Jung) test and the Enneagram test. (The Enneagram is a personality system which divides the entire human personality into nine behavioral tendencies. Perfectionism, Helpfulness, Image Awareness, Sensitivity, Detachment, Anxiety, Adventurousness, Aggressiveness, and Calmness). It's a 108 question test that seems quite detailed. Find it here. (http://similarminds.com/embj.html)

EDIT: Adding my results from the Jung and Enneagram test.

Jung:
Introverted (I) 82.76% Extroverted (E) 17.24%
Sensing (S) 80% Intuitive (N) 20%
Thinking (T) 81.25% Feeling (F) 18.75%
Judging (J) 74.29% Perceiving (P) 25.71%

Enneagram:
Type 1 Perfectionism 76%
Type 2    Helpfulness 33%
Type 3    Image Awareness 23%
Type 4    Sensitivity 40%
Type 5    Detachment 73%
Type 6    Anxiety 60%
Type 7    Adventurousness 13%
Type 8    Aggressiveness 23%
Type 9    Calmness 60%
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Post by: devicenull on August 28, 2004, 07:34:32 PM: I see to hover somewhere between INTP and ISTP 53/46

Type 1    Perfectionism     ||||||||||||     46%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||    10%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||    10%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||    36%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||||||||||    90%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||    33%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||    23%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||    40%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||||||||    76%

Most of those questions were repeats.

The results of these tests have yet to surprise me, I knew most of this already
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Post by: Geminosity on August 29, 2004, 03:19:07 AM: Oh okies and 'energizing' isn't the same as 'siphoning' so :p

if you want to talk about people actually 'transferring' energy you're probably better talking about positives and negatives. Positive people tend to be quite cheery and strong while negatives are drawn to them like magnets.
If you've ever been stuck with a really negative person you'll often feel yourself leaving feeling down and drained while a peppy person can lift your spirits and make you feel full of energy ^^

It might not be jung but I find it to be pretty spot on from my own personal experiences =3

As for the new test thingy...

Type 1 Perfectionism     ||||||||||||     46%
Type 2    Helpfulness    ||||||||||||||    60%
Type 3    Image Awareness    ||||||||||||||||||    73%
Type 4    Sensitivity    ||||||||||||||    53%
Type 5    Detachment    ||||||||||||    50%
Type 6    Anxiety    ||||||||||||||||    66%
Type 7    Adventurousness    ||||||||||||||    53%
Type 8    Aggressiveness    ||||||||||||    43%
Type 9    Calmness    ||||||||||||||||    63%

My 'conscious type' is 3w2 while my unconscious is 3w4
(http://similarminds.com/images/3w2.gif) (http://similarminds.com/images/3w4-mean.gif)

That conscious one sounds pretty frigging insulting though ><

edit: lol, did it again and got these two...

(http://similarminds.com/images/6w7.gif) (http://similarminds.com/images/8w7-mean.gif)

I'd say the conscious is a bit more accurate this time while the two unconscious in general are both kinda right I guess ~blink~
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Post by: lolfighter on August 29, 2004, 06:18:58 AM: Quote
[...]you guys are addictive and I don't want to get too hooked ^~[...]
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Quote Marylin Manson: I don't like the drugs but the drugs like me.

By the way, I've finally had a look at that test. I'm not gonna take it. It appears to be way too simplified. Take the first question.

1. You feel at ease in a crowd
( ) Yes ( ) No

"Hmm. Sometimes I feel ill at ease in a crowd."

( ) Yes (x) No

"But wait, sometimes I really like crowds..."

(x) Yes ( ) No

"Hmm, I dunno..."

( ) Yes ( ) No

Et cetera.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 29, 2004, 11:26:22 AM: lf: try this one (http://www.kisa.ca/personality/) instead. It has yea, nay, and maybe answers. If you want you can say maybe on everything and end up 50/50 all across the board.

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Positive people tend to be quite cheery and strong while negatives are drawn to them like magnets.
Actually, cheery people are my #1 mental justification for going on mass murdering sprees. I'm very much not drawn to them at all, repelled strongly would be more the words for it. If you tell me someone I'm going to meet is 'chipper' or 'a ray of sunshine' you may find that I've suddenly become a fast moving dot on the horizon.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 29, 2004, 03:11:41 PM: Funny... I've never seen you run away from me yet =3

I don't mean manically happy. We're not talking people who are happy in an annoying way, I mean truly positive people. They're within realistic boundaries rather than spastic happy but still relatively upbeat compared to most people.

Same goes for negatives really... they can only so low before you no longer feel drained by them and instead 'energized' by a sudden urge to turn their face into meat paste with a hammer =o
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 29, 2004, 06:28:09 PM: Well you can't take anything from the online world. Here I'm happily hidden behind thousands of miles of cable, and in immesurable abstract amount of internet anonymity. Plus, I'm perfectly fine talking all day long on forums (as I'm sure everyone's noticed by now) but in face to face meetings, I'm usually inclined to be a quiet listener. It's not that I don't have anything to say, it's just that everyone else is too busy saying what they have to say that I can't get a word in edgewise. And I've learned that there's not much reason to bother, since people don't really listen anyway. They just talk talk talk.

My attitude has always been that I'm happy to leave everyone else alone, and in return all that I ask is for them to leave me alone. If I have a rare desire for intense human contact, I can go out and party for a night, and then come back and go about my routine. I haven't ever felt the need to 'come out of my shell' as I think my shell is perfectly nice and cozy, and I'd rather stay here. Not that I don't have long and worthwhile conversations, it's just that I try to bypass the short and worthless ones. If I meet someone who's on the same wavelength as me, I'll become an intensely long standing friend, but most of the rest of humanity, as mentioned before, can go take a flying leap for all I care.
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Post by: Satiagraha on August 29, 2004, 07:02:27 PM: I find that during argumentative conversations, people tend to talk and talk on their own perspective and even when someone else is saying something to them, they're just simply waiting for their chance to jump in and say whatever they're going to say. There's no real time to absorb what has been said. People are merely focused on a time to interject. This is why I rather dislike talking to those people considered 'talkative'. They spew out their oppinion (wanted or not) and hardly take a break to catch their breath, let alone actually think about anything anyone has said. Many people become like this simply because they are afraid of silence. People naturally dislike silence, hence why you find a very high "umm", "uhh", and "and" count in amateur speaches. They add these sounds to fill the gaps.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 29, 2004, 07:17:27 PM: In a world where value is estimated by rarity, silence seems to be one of the most valuable commodities of all. You know how hard it is to find some place that's REALLY quiet? Not just low background noise, hum of a fan, hear some traffic going by, mumble of TV in the other room, etc. That's not true silence.

Of course, I'm not talking about complete lack of noise. Like a sealed room with no noise in it at all -- that's sort of uncanny and the roaring of the blood in your ears tends to be so loud that it cancels out the silence. But someplace you can actually go and listen to nothing but a very light breeze, or the sort of silence you get in a light snowfall -- those things are more rare than gold. Just finding a place where you can't hear the traffic in the distance is incredibly unlikely.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 30, 2004, 03:39:34 AM: Arthur Seat (extinct Volcanoe) was good for that when I lived near there. In summer I'd go up on the crags and play with the grasshoppers... the only sound would be the gentle whisper of the wind ^^
If I go for a cycle around these parts where I am right now I can go down country lanes and stuff where the distant rumble of traffic is just a faded memory.

I'm a bit of a loudmouth I guess but I've always been patient in conversation whether it's arguementative or not. The only real difference between here and the net as far as convos with me go is that you don't have to put up with my gesticulating lots =3
Well that and I can't scream at you if you make me truely mad but that's such a rare event online or off it's not really worth worrying about :p

Silence is ok when it's a calm, relaxed silence; it's the akward ones I hate.
I've got a neighbour (my stalker) who doesn't seem to understand basic social queues so he often used to ask me if something was wrong if I lapsed in silence rather than just picking up on my mood or body language like any normal person.
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Post by: lolfighter on August 30, 2004, 04:08:32 AM: Arthur's Seat was a volcano once? That sounds... wrong. :blink:
All kidding aside, it must've been dead for thousands of years. Great view though, really great view. It wasn't very quiet when I was up there though, wind makes too much noise.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 30, 2004, 05:08:39 AM: yup yup, it's long dead though there was a slight worry it might reactivate once or twice.
Sounds like you stood at the top though, it's pretty windy up there most of the time but I used to hang about in alcoves carved in the rocks... I doubt my parents would appreciate knowing I used to clamber up with just my hands and stuff; no kind of safety gear. It's not really much of a climb to speak of though, just a rather nasty and lethal fall with lots of bouncing off sharp rocks ^^;

I once went up there with a close friend to see the sunrise... it was kinda meant to be romantic but I kept nodding off because I really wasn't used to getting up that early at the time and the long walk hadn't helped XD
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Post by: lolfighter on August 30, 2004, 08:31:03 AM: Figures. :)

Arthur's Seat isn't really a toughie though, you can walk all the way if you're prepared to take the long path. Climbing would be faster, but much less safe.
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Post by: Geminosity on August 30, 2004, 09:29:20 AM: Well the road takes you past the pond which is kinda cool because you can feed the ducks and swans. As for the footpath around the front one of my old budgies is buried there =D

edit: my grandad's ashes were also scattered from atop arthur's seat... in many ways my life is more tied to that place than I realise sometimes =o
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Post by: rad4Christ on August 30, 2004, 10:06:01 AM: Updated previous post including new test from Bob. ^^
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 30, 2004, 10:30:27 AM: You're just a middle of the road guy all over. Probably one of those people that can get along with anyone. A learned skill from counseling the angsty youth of America perhaps?
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Post by: Geminosity on August 30, 2004, 11:04:36 AM: ~sneaks up on bob and hugs him~
who're you talking to? =3
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 30, 2004, 12:16:47 PM: Quote
~sneaks up on bob and hugs him~
who're you talking to? =3
Augh! It's the angsty youth of Scotland!

Actually that last post was directed at rad4. Guess I could have quoted to make things less confusing. Having never climbed a volcano, I didn't feel like I had anything to add to the other conversation. ;)
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Post by: lolfighter on August 31, 2004, 07:22:38 AM: Solution: Go climb a volcano.

I gotta remember that sentence. "Oh whatever, go climb a volcano."
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on August 31, 2004, 08:19:34 AM: Don't forget to add in 'active' before volcano, if the person warrants it.
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Post by: lolfighter on September 02, 2004, 07:30:24 AM: Bweh, you and your pedantery. Go climb a volcano.
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Post by: BobTheJanitor on September 02, 2004, 08:43:26 AM: Don't forget to add 'inactive' before volcano, if the person warrants it.

(ah subtlety, how I love thee)
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Post by: lolfighter on September 04, 2004, 08:14:19 AM: Bweh, you and your pedantery. Go climb a volcano oozing toxic fumes.

(ah bluntness, how I love thee)