Urgh. It's funny how they're making money based on the things they stand against.
Masturbate too much? Buy a save the kittens t-shirt for $15!
Look at porn too much? Spend $975 for one person or $1,750 two people to get it sorted!
Excuse the blasphemy, but jesus :Ding christ. How can you charge someone $975 for a "porn addiction" (Something that isn't an addiction at all)?
Now throw in that the rest of the site is either them being arrogant or smarmy, throw in a few "WE KEEPIN' IT REAL FOR DA KIDZ" and all you have left is a pretty funny ironic website name.
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Porn is definitely an addiction. You try to just kind of never look at porn again!
I assume the costs are for some kind of counsoling, but I'll defininately give it too you that any costs seem kind of odd for a church site that is supposed to be trying to help people... If I was qualified to counsul porn addicts I would be offering it for free, but unfortuneately you would be unable to find a less qualified person. <_<
*chuckles* What I find is funny is the lack of replies to this, in any shape or form. Maybe they dont find you interesting, Rad4.
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I wasn't expecting people to say "OGM, thank you rad, I've been masturbating constantly for the alst 12 hours, and I want to stop." Pornography is a real issue that people face, and I thought I'd place a link for people to go to for information on ways to overcome. This is a personal issue with people, not one to discuss openly. Yet, it is a major problem among teenagers and young adults, and most people are afraid to address it. If there are 20 replies about how stupid it is, and how much of a ripoff it is, yet one person is helped by it without me even knowing, then it's worth it.
Urgh. It's funny how they're making money based on the things they stand against.
Masturbate too much? Buy a save the kittens t-shirt for $15! Look at porn too much? Spend $975 for one person or $1,750 two people to get it sorted!
Excuse the blasphemy, but jesus :Ding christ. How can you charge someone $975 for a "porn addiction" (Something that isn't an addiction at all)?
Now throw in that the rest of the site is either them being arrogant or smarmy, throw in a few "WE KEEPIN' IT REAL FOR DA KIDZ" and all you have left is a pretty funny ironic website name.
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Granted, the counseling money is high, but some people are pretty bad off, and for some serious counseling by someone who "specializes" in dealing with the specific problem, it might be an average cost, I don't know. As for the tshirts and stuff, I think they're funny, and they get the message out to other people with a problem in a way that word of mouth never would.
As far as it being arrogant and smarmy, I think you're really missing the boat. If arrogance lies in the fact of their hate mail, or by their matter of fact writing, I'd say it's because thay want you know people are against it, in the religious community and the secular. THey're being hit on all sides, but they are following the path set before them. And let's face it, when you're dealing with a touchy issue such as pornography, there is no "light" way to deal with it. Yeah, they're out there, but they're trying to do something to help others, but all most people want to do is defensively tear it apart. Try looking past the cheezy commercials and odd catch phrases. There are prayer boards, where you can know that someone out there is specifically praying for you. And software where you can have someone else keep you accountable. Or just a good bit of information to help guide you to a place where you can overcome.
1/2 of all divorces in the US involve pornography as one of the reasons, and 15% of porn users develop sexual disorders as a result of it. (Source. (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:N5PgbR5k0lEJ:www.divorcewizards.com/divorcestats_porn.html+pornography+divorce+statistics&hl=en&client=firefox-a))
Harmless my foot.
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apples are harmless until you use them to attack people, candies are good until you choke on them(go lifesavers hole in center!) its all how you use the object/resource.. if you don't realize everything about porn before you watch it, and have full mental understanding of the difference between stage/dreaming/whatever and reality, then yes, it can be harmful to the person. you can't bash an idea entirely just because 15% of the people have a problem with it. we still sell cigaretts yet it kills how many people every year? at least porn doesn't kill people.
Pfft I'm more addicted to NS, where’s the website and expensive counseling for me!?
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Isn't that what this, the NS forums and IRC are for?
My name is GrayDuck and I am addicted to NS. Who wants to be my sponsor?
Back on topic:
Rad I haven't had time to dig into the site but I can't tell if it's meant to be taken seriously. It just seems like a big joke or spoof. But as I said I just watched the kitten video and looked at the front page.
Legionnaired, great find with the stats and stuff... I sent that link to my husband :p I'm waiting to see his reaction. haha
Edit: He was offended <_<
Death by while wanking....it COULD HAS happened >.>
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In the UK there's a magazine called The Big Issue, sold by the homeless (with the person getting a reasonable percentage of the sale money). Anyway there used to be a section in the back of the mag devoted to funny death stories. Need I say more...
Rad I haven't had time to dig into the site but I can't tell if it's meant to be taken seriously. It just seems like a big joke or spoof. But as I said I just watched the kitten video and looked at the front page.
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Go here: http://www.xxxchurch.com/porninc/story.asp (http://www.xxxchurch.com/porninc/story.asp)
Stories of people who have been helped. This is for real, under the marketing, eye catching devices is a true sentiment for helping others through this stuff.
[...]Legionnaired, great find with the stats and stuff... I sent that link to my husband :p I'm waiting to see his reaction. haha
Edit: He was offended <_<
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wth?
[...]Legionnaired, great find with the stats and stuff... I sent that link to my husband :p I'm waiting to see his reaction. haha
Edit: He was offended <_<
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wth?
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You tell me. He thought I was making a threat or something. He was very defensive about this issue. I sent it to him because I found it interesting a bit humorous.
[...]Legionnaired, great find with the stats and stuff... I sent that link to my husband :p I'm waiting to see his reaction. haha
Edit: He was offended <_<
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wth?
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You tell me. He thought I was making a threat or something. He was very defensive about this issue. I sent it to him because I found it interesting a bit humorous.
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sounds like you should dump the guy, and run off with someone much younger who drives a 1991 buick regal and lives in central texas... I hear good things about those boys.
:p
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aaaannnnnd we have a winner!
consider this:
who taught you to whack off? I know i was trying to flub mine before i had ever even seen a boobie....
its builtin, like picking your nose, and theres nothing wrong with it.
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It's a little different... But never the less, I don't see how it really hurts anyone. I don't see how a simple personal action that involves absolutly no one else can really be all to problematic.
Some might argue that it prevokes inapropriate fantasies, but if you are too incapable to control the creations of your own mind you should be seeking psychological help anyways.
must....type...with...one....hand...
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aaaannnnnd we have a winner!
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Now I know why confused's spelling is so... confused. :D
@scooter:
Welcome to the "I don't need an argument if I have controversy" argumentation style ;)
And just because I never replied to it, the "15% of all people viewing pornography develope sexual disorders" statistic took the cake. I'd like to see how that survey was done with a correct control group - fine 2 similiar numbers of people who do and don't view any porn at all, prove that none of them currently have any sexual disorders, then go on and study them over 30 years. When you're done be quoted by a fluff site that conveniently emits any information about what definitions for SDs were used (DSM-IV? ), and what methods were used for the survey, and what rate of disorder developement was found amongst real "non porners". Phew. Suffice to say that site does not appear credible in the slightest.
Dignity still IS an issue to be considered. The vast magority of women simply don't want to be thought of in any way that might be synonomous with porn stars.
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The vast majority of men don't want to be the one-dimensional character of a romance novel, the tired stereotype of a soap-operate antagonist or for that matter, most poignantly, a well-toned, tanned meathead fresh out of any commercial. That does not mean I, as a guy, find it wrong that some females entertain these fantasies - and I'm certain not every female that has once bought into one of these things would be capable of only this kind of thought.
In the same way, we all know not all women are large breasted bleached blondes ready to :D the nearest stranger, but sometimes we just want to relax and pretend. Simplified and rather demeaning stereotypes are the lifebread of all sorts of entertainment anyways - literature, video, film, books - and not exclusive to porno.
So excuse me if I still don't see the compelling reason behind this anti-pornography thing. Of course you are right, its not doing a whole lot of harm either - but I got the feeling you wanted to discuss the benefits here, not make the statement that repressive attitudes towards sexuality are "still better than a poke in the eye". :p
Addendum :
You're correct that the human psyche, and not just sexuality, as a whole is a largely vague field - however that disorders are often created by repression or the creation of subconscious and conscious conflicts is no secret.
Oh well, 7 AM and I'm not being very coherent. If anything above seems unclear, just ask.
CForrester, A+ for you, That's something most of us here (I think ) can do. :-D
And for the record, the reason Pot is banned, is because you can actually make a real cheap paper from pot, REALLY easily, so they banned it so that companies can get a profit and make sure no one else can do it.
Other wise that whole "drug addiction" thing is a bonus they used to cover up.
God, I love history.
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sactly, Forrester hit the nail on the head. Take any 16 + male and ask them if they masturabate on a regular basis, if they say no they are lying. Adam Carolla said it in a very interesting way: If you leave me alone with myself for more than 30 minutes, the odds are very good that I will beat off. The part that I found amusing was how Dr. Drew immediatly commented on what that says about Adam :p
Mr. Bill even though it's O/T, if you replaced marijuana with the tobacco that was grown in the 13 colonies I would bet MUGA that dojer would be legal in this day and age, and everyone all would hide in alleys and dark spots and smoke tobacco .
and dignity of porn stars.... o_O v_v
all I'm going to say is that chances are the actors made a concious chose for themselves to be in the "films" so it's a moot point
Lowcrawler, Im pretty sure I speak for all of us when I say,
I could of live a longer, and much happier life... Without knowing that.
:-D
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teehee.. i killed a kitten!
which is ok because im DEATHLY allergic to cats.
cats=bane of my exsitence
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Actually, it doesn't really fit in to any category.
Cannabis is unusual in that it produces effects similar to those of many different psychoactive substances. The drug does not easily slot into any of the normal psychoactive groups (depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens) and displays characteristics distinctive to all three. A group of people using cannabis may swing from introspective states of dreamy detachment to high-energy conversation and collective euphoria.
By the way, catnip is a hallucinogen if smoked. Catnip tea is a relaxant. (I have catnip tea sometimes. It's very nice, but some people might find it to be too bitter.) I haven't smoked it yet, though.
Caffeine has been proven to help prevent diabetes. DOES PORN PREVENT DIABETES?
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I, along with many others, sure hope it does.
Caffeine is very destructive, though. It's a little difficult to notice because it's so incredibly widespread, moreso than porn, and nearly constantly being consumed. For example: People get so addicted to caffeine that, if they can't have their coffee in the morning, they feel drowsy all day. They're irritable, on-edge and depressed. Caffeine becomes a part of their life. I'm not entirely sure, but I believe that caffeine is physically addictive as well as mentally addictive. (Porn isn't physically addictive.) Read this for information on how caffeine works.
I think a movement to help caffeine addicts doesn't exist (or exists and is very small) because of the fact that caffeine has become so integrated in to peoples' lives that it's incredibly difficult to remove and most people just plain don't care. More people care about porn addiction because the Church opposes porn and masturbation and so many people have been brought up to think that porn is wrong. (But not caffeine.)
So it's not necessarily because porn is a bigger problem, it's just getting more publicity.
Caffeine has been proven to help prevent diabetes. DOES PORN PREVENT DIABETES?
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No, but it helps prevent prostate cancer. :p
No, but it helps prevent prostate cancer. :p
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I don't know about you, but I can masturbate without porn just fine.
Compare the pro's and con's of porn with the pro's and con's of violent media if you must, but don't go telling me about the medical benifits of porn.
No, but it helps prevent prostate cancer. :p
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I don't know about you, but I can masturbate without porn just fine.
Compare the pro's and con's of porn with the pro's and con's of violent media if you must, but don't go telling me about the medical benifits of porn.
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actually, looking at porn has been proven to increase your heart rate enough that it can almost count as cardiovascular exercise. about 30 minutes per day can increase your ALE by 2-10 years.
No, but it helps prevent prostate cancer. :p
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I don't know about you, but I can masturbate without porn just fine.
Compare the pro's and con's of porn with the pro's and con's of violent media if you must, but don't go telling me about the medical benifits of porn.
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actually, looking at porn has been proven to increase your heart rate enough that it can almost count as cardiovascular exercise. about 30 minutes per day can increase your ALE by 2-10 years.
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Wasn't that on ebaums world?
God forbid you do something strenuous like walking up a flight of stairs as an alternitive...
actually, looking at porn has been proven to increase your heart rate enough that it can almost count as cardiovascular exercise. about 30 minutes per day can increase your ALE by 2-10 years.
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Brainiac, (http://www.skyone.co.uk/programmes/brainiac/) though, put this to the test, and found it not to be true. While looking at porn WILL increase your heart rate, it cannot measure up to genuine exercise. Sorry guys.
In fact, pretty much EVERY attempt to find a replacement for exercise has failed. It's amazing how much effort people will use on trying to be lazy. ;)
Suggested sports are rowing, swimming and skiing. I'd vote for rowing, as it includes social life too.
actually, looking at porn has been proven to increase your heart rate enough that it can almost count as cardiovascular exercise. about 30 minutes per day can increase your ALE by 2-10 years.
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Brainiac, (http://www.skyone.co.uk/programmes/brainiac/) though, put this to the test, and found it not to be true. While looking at porn WILL increase your heart rate, it cannot measure up to genuine exercise. Sorry guys.
In fact, pretty much EVERY attempt to find a replacement for exercise has failed. It's amazing how much effort people will use on trying to be lazy. ;)
Suggested sports are rowing, swimming and skiing. I'd vote for rowing, as it includes social life too.
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Surely, you jest! Geeks will work 'till the end of time to find a replacement for excercise that's both easier and more hedonistic. It's already been written.
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Actually, it doesn't really fit in to any category.
Sorry for being simplistic about the matter, however a fair sum of substances don't smoothly fit a single of the 3 basic categorys. Thats why they're called basic categorys. The borders are just as wishy-washy with MDMA (ecstasy), which is also either described as hallucinogen/stimulant or more fittingly as "something entirely else".
Its my understanding we were discussing the effects of the commonly consumed varietys. Either way though, you're completely right :)
Edit : Even alcohol is funny. The biggest, most common party drug around, yet its a depressant ;)
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Most drugs have some sort of primary function, and on TOP of that function they fit into one of the three catagories... It gets complicated when the primary function and the general catagory conflict with eachother, but they usually are still knowticable... The intended effect being distinct from the secondary side effects.