Approved these two wonderful posts. The whole of the active admin staff was given a week to come up with any reasonable objections. Nobody could really think of anything, so that was that. There have been other discussions, and admins have come forward with decent reasons in those cases. The Lunixmonster Staff account was made to prevent people just blaming an admin with a grudge instead of taking a look at themselves and their actions.
Edit: Moving this to the Soapbox, since I can't be bothered to check here every 8 minutes and I know everyone and their grandmother will have an opinion on the inner workings of the admin staff, being experts and all.
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And you see, here's what i was talking about.
Nobody could think of a reason to not ban me, hey, how about the fact that i'm a regular player, i don't spawncamp, i don't exploit, hell, i don't break a single rule barring the swearing one, and has anyone ever asked me to stop swearing? Yes, HD has on a few occasions, guess what, i stopped. You know why? Because i have respect for someone that can actually take the situation into hand and be rational. Now if Vinnie or someone comes along and just kicks me for it, will i stop? No. Because they don't have the damned decency to actually ask, no, they just flaunt their "power" and assume that's the be all and end all to the situation.
And your sarcasm on the end, again, what's the point to that? I mean, i'm here, stripped of my res slot and, quite frankly, on the verge of being banned, because of my attitude and language, and in the very thread i'm making an attempt to defend myself, you come along with the same ****ty attitude that i'm in trouble for. Great job. You're a credit to the community.
Approved these two wonderful posts. The whole of the active admin staff was given a week to come up with any reasonable objections. Nobody could really think of anything, so that was that. There have been other discussions, and admins have come forward with decent reasons in those cases. The Lunixmonster Staff account was made to prevent people just blaming an admin with a grudge instead of taking a look at themselves and their actions.
Edit: Moving this to the Soapbox, since I can't be bothered to check here every 8 minutes and I know everyone and their grandmother will have an opinion on the inner workings of the admin staff, being experts and all.
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The smurf account doesn't prevent any blame from being passed around, you know? We all know whose brainstorm this was and, in making themself unnacountable for their own actions, that admin has lost what little respect I had left for them (I am of course being generous).
Have some decency and stop hiding, sir.
*sigh*
LB should just cancel his account for the web/game server and unregister #lm. Then we won't have to deal with this anymore, and LB saves some money.
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His call. And at this rate I wouldn't even be disappointed.
I'm in IRC right now looking at the list of admins... and I dont see any that you can depend to see on the server at least once a day. Anyone can see that something needs to change here... its not necessarily because we dont like any particular admins, (though this isnt a false statement) its because we need some who can "do the admin duty"
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Interesting. I'm pretty sure I play =every= day. Hell, I even played yesterday before going to the hospital.
For the record...
PB IS a very active admin who does a good job, I say this cause he just mentioned himself, but I agree PB is pretty win :-D
and for everything else:
Honestly, if you havnt seen this coming from a MILE away, that something would happen to esuna (or even sonic) then you have to be blind. I don't hate esuna, he's not a bad person, but he's hard headed and so is vinnie, and Ive seen MANY a bans being placed because of which. If it wasnt PAINFULLY obvious this would result in something, You obviously arnt around when esuna and vinnie argue. (which is something hard to do, since that is most times).
<3 to all
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Thing is, who wins the arguments. Vinnie. Guess why, he'll argue, flame and swear at me as much as he likes, do i get banned for it? Yes. Does he? No.
****ing. Double. Standards.
I have no idea what's going on
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Hmm... read the thread :)
I'm with Asal on this one; I didn't see it coming (not very clearly anyway), but when it did come, I wasn't surprised.
As for his 3rd statement... meh. Probably not.
okay, show us the convo. lets see the unanimous admin decision.
beacause im calling bs.
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i'm not going to be the one to screenshot the admin forum, but everything stated as far as the decisions go is true. we made a subforum and guidelines for it, reguarding structure etc. given a week to find reason(s) to not remove said persons slot and to argue removal in general. and as stated, the agreement was to remove your(sonic,esuna) slots. tbh, im disguisted that everyone is reacting this way. esunas posts only push further the reasoning for him losing it, honestly.
also i like how everyone is attacking vinnie for this. hence the reason for the admin team acc. no one admin did this, it was the collective decision, totally honest.
nice post CFM, says a lot. i can't be on the server 24/7 covering every single conversation and word said, and since i'm currently mostly mia playing wow, i don't even play atm. however, i can post in reference to the community so i try to. if someone is cursing or whatnot i yell at them. bad name is gone by choice or force. i usually get whined/cried to if i do actually do my job, and its actually taken quite a toll in how much i will mention the rules to people sometimes. god forbid i remind someone of the no swearing rule..
Thing is, who wins the arguments. Vinnie. Guess why, he'll argue, flame and swear at me as much as he likes, do i get banned for it? Yes. Does he? No.
****ing. Double. Standards.
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Pardon?
<esuna> Vinnie-NS: i need to know, you actually are 14, right?
<Vinnie-NS> nope, not your age, sorry
<Magmatron> !tb esuna 1m Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?
* ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@host81-132-243-193.range81-132.btcentralplus.com
* esuna was kicked by ChanServ ((Magmatron) Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?)
<Magmatron> Stop responding to that nonsense already
<Lightning_Blue> !suspend Vinnie-NS
<Lightning_Blue> !tb Vinnie-NS 2m
* ChanServ sets mode: -o+b Vinnie-NS *!*@Vinegar_Ninja.user.gamesurge
* Vinnie-NS was kicked by ChanServ ((Lightning_Blue) Bye.)
The only reason it wasn't longer was because you provoked him first.
Meanwhile, in the admin channel....
Edit: Instead of posting things directly from the channel, it'll suffice to say that Vinnie was spoken to. Whoops.
Both you and Vinnie were wrong. Double standards, indeed. Honestly, I'm tired of people just assuming that nothing gets done because they don't see it.
Thing is, who wins the arguments. Vinnie. Guess why, he'll argue, flame and swear at me as much as he likes, do i get banned for it? Yes. Does he? No.
****ing. Double. Standards.
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Pardon?
<esuna> Vinnie-NS: i need to know, you actually are 14, right?
<Vinnie-NS> nope, not your age, sorry
<Magmatron> !tb esuna 1m Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?
* ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@host81-132-243-193.range81-132.btcentralplus.com
* esuna was kicked by ChanServ ((Magmatron) Stop trying to antagonize people already, yeesh. Do you want people to explode at you?)
<Magmatron> Stop responding to that nonsense already
<Lightning_Blue> !suspend Vinnie-NS
<Lightning_Blue> !tb Vinnie-NS 2m
* ChanServ sets mode: -o+b Vinnie-NS *!*@Vinegar_Ninja.user.gamesurge
* Vinnie-NS was kicked by ChanServ ((Lightning_Blue) Bye.)
The only reason it wasn't longer was because you provoked him first.
Meanwhile, in the admin channel....
Hehe, shouldn't be here. Whoops.
Both you and Vinnie were wrong. Double standards, indeed. Honestly, I'm tired of people just assuming that nothing gets done because they don't see it.
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Can you blame me for complaining if action is being taken but none of us are any the wiser?
You have to admit that when you're only given one side of the story, there's no option but to base your argument on what facts are actually available to you.
Scooter, go suck a ****. :D
Sigh, I didn't really bother reading everything but what's wrong with Esuna?
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He swears and he yells at vinnie.
0_o
esuna has been around for a while, sonic is relatively new
sonic I hope you can step it up enough to regain your slot XD
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Sonic's been here since 2003 :(
I also have to agree with asal in that I've never seen you around. For someone who speaks of the "glory days" on LM, you sure dont seem to be much of a contributor to the contemporary.
Bozo knows what it's about - you can trust me on that. He's been on the forums snce the day they were put up and has been in the community, itself, for longer than I have. Hell, while he might have overdone it on the whole profanity bit, somebody had to say it.
Still, this is what I mean by that change. Bozo used to like the people here.
I haven't been playing here long, but I play just about every day and I have yet to see anything wrong with the admins. Anyway I had to add that I really dislike this attitude:
As far as flaming goes, there are times when it's justified. Example: a shotgun rush is coming to a hive. The gorge spits it and yells out that the rush is coming. 2 skulks come, while the other four busily chomp on an RT and ignore the fact that the hive is dying. Another example: Rines are trying to take a hive out, and one of the goobers stands there wasting precious shotgun ammo on a movement chamber instead of assisting the team. Now im not pushing for it to go into the realm of kicking a dead horse, but if someone slings out a pithy remark at such idiocy, who cares? Sure its easy to say that it breaks the rules and should be punished if you're watching it non-biased from spectator, but if you're on the team thats effected, it makes you MAD! Let people blow off some steam by occasionally ragging on people for being dumb. As far as the regs go, we casually flame each other all the time and none of us cares, because we know that it's all in jest and the next round it wont matter. If some nsplayer comes in and does it and gets miffed because he was being stupid and got an earful and leaves, does it really bother anyone?[snapback]48045[/snapback]
It bothers me a lot. New players should be helped, not yelled at or made fun of. It's one thing to jokingly flame someone you know, or to flame someone who is good yet is not really trying, but flaming someone for their lack of skill is pathetic. Yeah we all lose our patience with that.. and we should all be punished accordingly.
The language and niceness rules are a huge plus for LM.
The Lunixmonster Staff account represents all of the admins, and that is it. It represents our decisions as a whole and this time it was unanimous. If it was a majority that thought we shoud do this, it would still happen since most of us wanted it.
I really like esuna. I was even against him losing his slot.
I dunno if this was already brought up, but as soon as I saw it, I had to make my point.
PB's comment singlehandedly makes the "unanimous" bull**** null and void. Stop lying, that's all. Secondly, please inform me of ANYTHING inappropriate that esuna has EVER done besides use foul language. Same for Sonic. Yes, I realize that *gasp* sometimes the foul language was combined with PERSONAL INSULTS over the internet, but I think that's hardly a reason to strip a reserved slot. They both have quite sparkling behavior records when actually playing the game.
****, stop being so thin-skinned.
WORDS.
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I can assure you it's not bull**** because in the actual threads we had for the RS removals of Sonic and Esuna, not one person objected. It must have not seemed to important to him or her if their slots were taken away.
Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.
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Ok. Read my post that is almost directly above you. I really have nothing more to say because this is just wasting my time now.
Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.
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sorry if it seems like we're all contradictive, but pb never posted in the mentioned thread about sonic or esuna, so we were lead to believe no one had any objections at all. he now voices it, here, which is weird yea. but as far as the thread, in which the decision was made, there were no objections stated, only approvals.
OH GOD! THE EMO!!! I CANT BREATH!! ITS EVERYWHERE!!
Honestly guys, you lot REALLY don't actually think that if you keep posting in this thread, that esuna and sonic will get unbanned? hell no... your all waisting your time, making the gap between RS and ADMIN even BIGGER then ever before! Esuna and vinnie fought to the death CONSTENTLY it was only a matter of time before everyone decided to get rid of esuna.
and as for bozo... Wow.. totaly awsome :-D Not that Im agreeing, since I not that old around these parts, but just wow. gave me a good chuckle
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We could have gotten rid of vinnie instead :rolleyes:
Now this is turning into an argument between the admins themselves (one which should have, by the way, stayed in the admin forum), as to who objected and who didn't. You say nobody did, but in this thread right here, PB says that he was against esuna losing his slot.
Come on now.
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Ok. Read my post that is almost directly above you. I really have nothing more to say because this is just wasting my time now.
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Did you reckon that some admins might have not read the thread or, indeed, posted in it? Or does that just blow your mind?