Author Topic: 3.0 Balance Ideas And Suggestions  (Read 12354 times)

February 17, 2004, 02:25:02 PM
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BobTheJanitor

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This may be workable and it may be a mess, but it's worth trying.

The problem is easy to see. We all have ideas about how 3.0 should be balanced, and suggestions for improvements. Go to the public beta forum, however, and no one will hear your ideas except for a bunch of other players. The ideas & suggestion forums are even worse. A good idea will get lost in the mountains of silly 'awps for onos' ideas. Is there any way around this? Possibly.

We can use the might of the LM community. The devs, I believe, do want feedback. They just don't want to wade through the reams of whiny posts to find anything useful. So we make it easy on them. We have a community here with dozens of almost daily players, plus many more occasional players. Why don't we hash out all of our ideas about the balance issues in 3.0 and write them down clearly and concisely in one document? Then we get someone that the dev team wouldn't dismiss, like a PT, (cough LB cough) to email that document to them. It would surely have a lot more impact than posting in the forums, and it would be more useful feedback for the devs. If it's received well enough, we can keep it up with each successive beta until 3.0 goes final.

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February 17, 2004, 02:55:31 PM
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Great Idea, I'd certainly help out.

February 17, 2004, 03:14:08 PM
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February 17, 2004, 03:31:28 PM
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I'd love to try that, sounds great. I might play 3.0 knowing that i can discuss the problems with it intelligently with somebody. I would also appreciate the fact that my input isn't being drowned out by the cries for all sorts of unintelligent 'improvements.'
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February 17, 2004, 04:24:04 PM
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So what's the plan? Everyone get together on a server sometime and talk about what sucks and what doesn't?

February 17, 2004, 04:54:13 PM
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sounds good to me... as long as I get to whine about how the fade needs a total rewrite XD

February 17, 2004, 06:44:45 PM
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I really don't see anything wrong with the fade, whats your problem with it?

February 17, 2004, 06:45:42 PM
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Well, you could email Flayra first of all to find out if he even cares :p I mean, getting a random email that says "FFS BALANCE NUBFAEC!" probably wont' go over too well ;)

February 17, 2004, 06:47:16 PM
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Well, we can use this thread to vent our spleen about what sucks and what doesn't, then agree on the most important points, second most important, and so on. I figure to get the most attention on the most important things we'd want to get those in first. Things like new ideas for gameplay, the least likely to get any attention, would probably need to be last. Then someone, which will probably end up being me, will put it all in a clear, readable, and friendly format (we want to be as un-whiny as possible in the final version, keep the whining in the thread) and then we send it off. I'd rather focus on real NS as much as possible, but we can put in a section about combat if we feel the need to.

So, start venting. First thing that comes to mind is the new Acid Rocket. What else do we take issue with?

Edit: Uranium has volunteered to email Flayra for us and find out if he's interested in this, how nice of him!  >:D
« Last Edit: February 17, 2004, 06:48:11 PM by BobTheJanitor »

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February 17, 2004, 07:52:14 PM
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oh dear, we might end up with our steamids hardcoded into the game as banned... lets hope hes tactful
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February 17, 2004, 08:25:24 PM
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HAHAHAH good call ulatoh. Well, I'd send an email even, I just wonder how many emails from people wanting to tell him how THEY would make his game that he gets every dary, and how many he actually bothers to read, considering. Does anyone in the community have a line to flayra or to one of his entourage? PTs, old school vets, someone?

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February 17, 2004, 08:28:08 PM
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Very good idea there Bob. I'll help out.
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February 17, 2004, 08:43:44 PM
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Flayra does play on the servers a bit, and LB is a PT, he can likely get in touch with him.

February 18, 2004, 02:21:17 AM
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FIX THIS!

February 18, 2004, 02:43:00 AM
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Shotgun sucks, siege sucks, grenades suck, electricity is stupid.

NS balance summed up :D

BTW: I'd probably be the worst person to e-mail him... seeing as how I'm his arch nemesis evil twin.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2004, 02:43:53 AM by Uranium - 235 »

February 18, 2004, 05:31:30 AM
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not to derail this thread but for isamil; it's called a 'fade'.  The name and even the general descriptions of it give the impression that it's either a fast or stealthy killer.  The current Fade is more like a small onos with a skulk's leap =P

I'd advocate re-writing the fade by either...

a) accepting it's becoming a tank and just updating the general descriptions and changing the name.
b) re-doing the fade, making it more fragile (lower the armour again? ) but considerably more stealthy and speedy.  Attempting to phase out skills like metabolise (yeah I know it's useful now but I don't feel it fits the fade image) for an additional manouvering ability such as the 1.04 blink (and renaming the current blink to 'fly' or something lol).  Maybe up the claw damage depending on how well or badly the changes go (being weaker in protective armour means it really needs to kill it's target fast and without being noticed.  Add in maybe an innate ability to not show up on MT and bang, new fade that's more worthy of the name and image =3

Course, this is less a balance issue and more a design issue but still something I feel flayra kinda jumped off the boat about ^^;
« Last Edit: February 18, 2004, 05:32:18 AM by Geminosity »

February 18, 2004, 06:51:01 AM
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I didn't really notice much differance between 2.01 blink and 3.0, I still get adren, and it still dies quite fast unless you fly around a lot.

Edit:Ohh, 100 posts.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2004, 06:51:58 AM by Isamil »

February 18, 2004, 07:04:48 AM
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The 2.01 blink was just faster. It's really hard to take out a jetpacker now, because he can just jump away faster than you can blink. I went around and around in cargo on hera last night with a jetpacker. Got a few good swipes in, and he nicked me a few times with his HMG, but even after dogfighting for two or three minutes, I never did manage to take him down, and he retreated through the door back to MS.

However, the blink speed was lowered to allow newer players easier control over the fade. I don't know why. Fade is simply not a newbie class to play. You just have to know the exact moment to blink out and be able to aim it so you don't get trapped on a pipe on the way. (like I do all the time>_<)  But, the point is that something flayra changed to help out players new to the game doesn't seem likely to get changed back again.

And yes, in the long term I'd much rather see a fade that actually FADES. Give him health and armor close to that of a skulk, but change blink to make him totally disappear (not just X% like cloaking), and make it so that bullets travel right through him, and he can walk through placeable entities. That would be a fade that could waltz right in to a turret farmed room, blink in, swipe a marine down, and blink out before the marines have even swung their LMGs in his direction. And it would seriously add to the cool factor of the game. The low health/armor would keep it from being overpowered, as you'd only need a single clip to take him out. But that's not likely to go in any time soon, and has very little to do with balance suggestions. But it's cool, so nyah!

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February 18, 2004, 08:44:24 AM
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if you're a blink-hopper like me the 3.0 blink is incredibly lousy =/
Fade Fliers probably won't notice it much really except for the speed reduction.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the fade isn't really all that 'fadey' ^^

are we gonna have all the suggestions in this thread or is there gonna be a seperate one for our calm discussion? =3

February 18, 2004, 09:05:58 AM
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Bob, can I bear your children?

Anyway... I agree with everyone in one way or another... But not U235... lol <3
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